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Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

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I recently got stoped by the Swiss police for speeding in an 80km/h area arround mountain passes. I was stoped on the spot where the police officer was using a small measuring device. I've been snooping arround forums and now understand I have commited a criminal offence and had to pay up 900CHF on the spot, deposit for legal actions agains me. But when that happened I demanded from the officer to show me proof of me speeding and he kept reffusing. I know I have a basic human right "to be pressumed innocent untill prooven guilty". I have not been given any proof of that jet had to pay up. I will most probably not recieve any photo of my face, driving that vehicle at that certain speed. If i take this to court it would be the police officer declaring under oath that I was speeding... jet no physical proof would be provided. That's the info I was able to collect so far. =(
Is that legal? Isn't that violation of my basic human right to be prooven to be guilty? In my country if you're speeding: 1st thing after checking your licence the officer would step to your window and show the number on the radar and another officer has to see that. Seems like the Swiss are in violation of human rights. Pls help... I just wanted to get home and am now a criminal on Switzerland.
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I recently got stoped by the Swiss police for speeding in an 80km/h area arround mountain passes. I was stoped on the spot where the police officer was using a small measuring device. I've been snooping arround forums and now understand I have commited a criminal offence and had to pay up 900CHF on the spot, deposit for legal actions agains me. But when that happened I demanded from the officer to show me proof of me speeding and he kept reffusing. I know I have a basic human right "to be pressumed innocent untill prooven guilty". I have not been given any proof of that jet had to pay up. I will most probably not recieve any photo of my face, driving that vehicle at that certain speed. If i take this to court it would be the police officer declaring under oath that I was speeding... jet no physical proof would be provided. That's the info I was able to collect so far. =(
Is that legal? Isn't that violation of my basic human right to be prooven to be guilty? In my country if you're speeding: 1st thing after checking your licence the officer would step to your window and show the number on the radar and another officer has to see that. Seems like the Swiss are in violation of human rights. Pls help... I just wanted to get home and am now a criminal on Switzerland.
Stop making a drama out of this with babbling about human rights, You drove to fast and the proof is the statement of the police who stopped you after noticing you drove to quick.

Just take this to court, the Judge will think you're an idiot and slam you with even higher costs.
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

Thank you.
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

Thank you. I didnt understand, and still dont, how a word from a police officer is and can be considered proof. In my country an officers word is considered worth for 2 "normies" and the police always gives physical evidence.
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Old 22.02.2020, 18:08
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

Paying Fr. 900.00 on the spot in a 80-zone and you actually still believe there is a possibility of being innocent? You thought it was the legendary Swiss Föhn that whistled round your ears?

You probably got off cheaper than had you been a resident in Switzerland.
The "human right" bit smells like troll though.
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

Thinking if the OP's post is compatible with my human right of using safe roads with no morons...
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paying fr. 900.00 on the spot in a 80-zone and you actually still believe there is a possibility of being innocent? You thought it was the legendary swiss föhn that whistled round your ears?
hahahahaha. Good one!
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

I have never heard of a policeman taking money on the spot nor not showing proof of the offence.
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Old 22.02.2020, 19:41
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I have never heard of a policeman taking money on the spot nor not showing proof of the offence.
I have paid on the spot, though once they let me go the 2km to the cash machine!

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Old 22.02.2020, 19:43
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I recently got stoped by the Swiss police for speeding in an 80km/h area.
So you were doing 150 or so?

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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

Troll. I'm amazed the mods let it through. OTOH, in another place I'd also have handed the OP over to the mob.
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I know I have a basic human right "to be pressumed innocent untill prooven guilty".

Basic human rights is something for a morals or theology discussion not a legal situation. Of the top of my head I can think of two EU states where if you commit certain criminal offenses, It is you to you to prove that you did not commit the offenses.


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If i take this to court it would be the police officer declaring under oath that I was speeding... jet no physical proof would be provided. That's the info I was able to collect so far.

The officer's statements in court is evidence and it is up to you to discredit him and as they will likely do to you... The judge will decide who it telling the porkies...



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In my country if you're speeding...

No remotely of interest to us...


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Seems like the Swiss are in violation of human rights. Pls help...

No one is violating your human rights, you are free to challenge it if you wish.


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I just wanted to get home and am now a criminal on Switzerland.

Most likely you have a record through out the Schengen Area, not just Switzerland.
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

You keep saying "in my country". Well, you are not in your country now, and the local rules apply. Deal with it.
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

how fast were you driving?
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how fast were you driving?
By the size of the fine it was, at least. 40kmh over the 80 limit. So at least 120, probably more. He should be in jail.
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had to pay up 900CHF on the spot, deposit for legal actions agains me.
The 900 CHF were not the fine, they were just a prepay based on the police criteria. The total amount of the fine still needs to be determined by a judge.

So, you don't have to worry about "taking this to court", it is being taken to court. You'll get updated of this process and be able to contest, they'll contact you at the address you gave the police.
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

Human rights include (but are not limited to) the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education. Human right violations include (but are not limited to) unfair labour practices, arbitrary arrests, detentions without trial, political executions, assassinations, and torture.

Speeing and not being handed a receipt is not a human right violation. Please don't belittle something important because of your feeling of entitlement to a little piece of paper after you endangered your life and others' while speeding on a mountain road.

P.S.: the policeman PRESUMED you were innocent as you came around the bend. He then pointed his speed gun at your car, and got proof that you were not, in fact, innocent.
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Human rights include (but are not limited to) the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education. Human right violations include (but are not limited to) unfair labour practices, arbitrary arrests, detentions without trial, political executions, assassinations, and torture.

Speeing and not being handed a receipt is not a human right violation. Please don't belittle something important because of your feeling of entitlement to a little piece of paper after you endangered your life and others' while speeding on a mountain road.
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This.

And to @OP....you must have an idea whether you exceeded the speed limit or not.... Be honest with yourself. You don't have to win any "battle" against the Swiss police or EF. Respect the rules next time, be (more) prudent. It's for your own good and everyone else's who happen to be on the same road with you. At the end of the day, this is all that matters.
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I have never heard of a policeman taking money on the spot nor not showing proof of the offence.
But they always give receipts.
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Re: Speeding ticket in Switzerland without proof?

So OP, you say you are innocent simply because police didn't show you proof?

I was attached to a HWP division in NSW Australia for 8 years, caught thousands of peeps speeding, and hundreds like the OP who demanded proof on the spot. The only people police need to show proof to is the courts.

99% paid their fines as they knew they were caught. 1% took their fines to court, where I presented my evidence. Sometimes the defendants got off with sympathetic magistrates, which was fine for me as I had done my job.

Bottom line for the OP: If you feel your have been falsely accused, take the matter and your evidence to court, the police will bring their evidence. Let the court decide, but be prepared to pay if you are wasting their time.
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