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Jamboree 25.02.2020 11:05

Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
So I was in Italy about a year ago.
I Apparently drove down a road that was NOT authorized to me.
A photo was taken of my car when I was in that NON authorized area.

I just received the ticket in the mail
it told me to look on their website to see a photo of the infraction.

Here's where the problem comes in.

YES there is a picture of my car (I clearly see the car and the license plate) - I know 100% it is my car.

HOWEVER - by looking at the photo - I have NO idea where this photo was taken and what the infraction was.
All I see is my car in the middle of a road -- what road? who know's? what country? who knows? what's the infraction? who knows.

This feels like a scam -- I can't prove it's a scam, unless I fight the ticket.

I did, however pay the ticket - honestly - I'm confident if I try and fight this it wouldn't go well for me/my pocketbook.

st2lemans 25.02.2020 11:19

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Was it for driving in a ZTL? :confused:

Tom

LuganoPirate 25.02.2020 11:54

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
This is a well known scam, though it's been a few years since I last heard of it. A photo is taken of your car. Then they look up the license plate in the public register and send an official looking document hoping you'll pay up. This happened many times to us when driving our TI registered car in Milan, but never when we drove the GE registered one as the Geneva register is not public.

The ones we (rather my son) get now are for not paying to enter Milan or "forgetting" the Pedemontana. But you can see they are official. Clearly states date, time, location etc.

ch2013 25.02.2020 12:06

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LuganoPirate (Post 3151057)
This is a well known scam, though it's been a few years since I last heard of it. A photo is taken of your car. Then they look up the license plate in the public register and send an official looking document hoping you'll pay up. This happened many times to us when driving our TI registered car in Milan, but never when we drove the GE registered one as the Geneva register is not public.

The ones we (rather my son) get now are for not paying to enter Milan or "forgetting" the Pedemontana. But you can see they are official. Clearly states date, time, location etc.


So I guess OP should contact his local cops to report the scam?

bokabil 25.02.2020 12:09

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OP, maybe you can share "their website" and the EF sleuths can have a go at it...

IMO, it is most likely for a ZTL infraction, and if I remember correctly, it is 60 per infraction.

thalcave 25.02.2020 12:46

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LuganoPirate (Post 3151057)
Then they look up the license plate in the public register and send an official looking document hoping you'll pay up. This happened many times to us when driving our TI registered car in Milan, but never when we drove the GE registered one as the Geneva register is not public.

Generally, you can send a request to Strassenverkehrsamt to have your info removed from public access.

Jamboree 25.02.2020 13:25

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Here is the web address they provided and I paid through.

www.emo.nivi.it

Guest 25.02.2020 13:36

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamboree (Post 3151093)
Here is the web address they provided and I paid through.

www.emo.nivi.it

Legit website.

ch2013 25.02.2020 13:45

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Legit website.
Here is the legit site:

https://www.nivicredit.it/en.html

Read in the EMS section here "in total security guaranteed by SSL encryption"

If you look at the OPs site there is NO SSL

Guest 25.02.2020 14:25

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ch2013 (Post 3151102)
Here is the legit site:

https://www.nivicredit.it/en.html

Read in the EMS section here "in total security guaranteed by SSL encryption"

If you look at the OPs site there is NO SSL

On your link go to "PAY NOW"

And you end up at the exact same website as OP linked. They just do not enforce https so you can approach it through www and end up at the same website just not over a secure connection.

Neko 25.02.2020 19:21

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
The ticket should mention the road in question. Were you there? Can you look up the local traffic restriction online, normally towns set out which zones are off limits to cars etc.


For others who might visit Italy by car, look out for the ZTLs, this website explains them: http://www.athomeintuscany.org/2011/...-traffic-zone/

st2lemans 25.02.2020 19:27

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ch2013 (Post 3151102)
Here is the legit site:

https://www.nivicredit.it/en.html

They are the Italian equivalent of Intrum, ignore them. :msnmad:

Tom

curley 25.02.2020 19:56

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ch2013 (Post 3151102)
Here is the legit site:

https://www.nivicredit.it/en.html

Read in the EMS section here "in total security guaranteed by SSL encryption"

If you look at the OPs site there is NO SSL

Funny, your "legit" website lets Firefox panic and refusing to connect while OP's website shows, no problem.

The SSL think does not really mean anything, my websites didn't have SSL until last week, when I finally installed it.

On the other hand, OP's website mentions "verificato e protetto" which it obviously ain't. Not to mention, for an EU website it does not look convincing?

st2lemans 25.02.2020 19:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 3151265)
Funny, your "legit" website lets Firefox panic and refusing to connect.

And rightly so.

Tom

curley 25.02.2020 20:01

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
What's ZTL?

st2lemans 25.02.2020 20:04

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 3151269)
What's ZTL?

"Zona a traffico limitato (ZTL) is a restricted traffic area in Italy."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zona_a_traffico_limitato

Tom

trixxiee 14.10.2021 12:22

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
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Hi guys,

Let me reactivate this thread as I just got 2 registered letters from Aosta commune. These are two identical looking fines, 86.10 EUR each:

The first one for:
- Driving through Via Losanna Comune di Aosta on 20.09.2020 at 12:21, therefore breaking the art. 7/1 of the road traffic law.
- Leaving my car at Via Losanna, Commune of Tivoli on 20.09.2020 at 12:21

The second one for:
- Driving through Av.e Conseil des Commis Comune di Aosta on 20.09.2020 at 12:23, therefore breaking the art. 7/1 of the road traffic law.
- Leaving my car at Av.e Conseil des Commis, Commune of Tivoli on 20.09.2020 at 12:23.

Now, I don't really remember what happened over a year ago but I'm usually quite vigilant when it comes to driving abroad and especially obeying the traffic signs. I also don't get how I could leave my car at two different places at the same time :confused:

They ask to be paid through: https://aosta.comune-online.it/web/p...polizia-locale

Does this website look legit? The signature on the letter certainly does not.

BritS 14.10.2021 12:28

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Why would an Italian Commune send a letter in German?

Or is their main source of income trapping Swiss tourists, hence the efforts to get it all translated?

I got a fine for going the way my SatNav sent me at 4AM in Rome on the way to the airport, I think it was EUR 90 - what can you do, it's all part of the holidaymaker tax I guess - I'm pretty sure the letter came through in Italian though.

trixxiee 14.10.2021 12:40

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
The police officer that sent the letters appears to be a real one, at least his CV is available online... :D

What I really do not like is that I can't see any proof of me breaking any law unless I will ask for it using a certified e-mail, which I don't have or start a pricey correspondence via registered letters :mad:

LuganoPirate 14.10.2021 13:01

Re: Driving ticket in Italy - unauthorized area
 
Here is the website for the city of Aosta and it looks very different to the one you link to though it does link to the official site at the bottom of the page.

https://www.comune.aosta.it/it

and this

https://www.coe.int/en/web/cultural-...ality-of-aosta

Maybe give them a call as it does seem unusual to be in two places at th same time!

The alternative is to ignore it. Then one of two things happens.
1. Nothing
2. They instruct a debt collection agency in Switzerland. You can then argue it with them and if necessary go to court here where a judge is likely to dismiss it due to the inconsistency.

This has happened to us on several occasions and the debt collector just gave up.


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