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Leaving Winter [tyres] on during Summer

Hi all,

given world events a somewhat unimportant question but any help appreciated.

My car, is what you might technically describe as an old piece of shit, its likely to see out another year tops but could go to the scrapyard in the sky before then. I bought new winters last season as they'd run down and at the same time I actually ditched my summers as they were to low as well.

With winter coming to an end and its time to swap, I know if you are near the end of life with winters its a common practice to wear them over the summer season as a last hurrah before getting rid of them as insurance companies dont mind winters in summer, they just object at summers during winter.

Which makes me wonder, if the max lifetime of the car now is assumed to be 1 more year, if I kept the winters on over summer, what level of "damage" (or perhaps more simply, wear) would be done ? I mean would 6 months of high temperature run them right down or is it fairly minimal ? If I can wear them over summer knowing I will get another winter out of them after that and given the car may well die before then, it seems a better option than lashing out on new summers now.

Bit of a mouthful, but any help appreciated.
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Old 23.03.2020, 13:15
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Re: Leaving Winters on during Summer

We have winters year round on one car, summers year round on another, 4-season on another (used to be winters), and one where we change them.

Lots of people around here run winters year round.

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Old 23.03.2020, 13:22
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Re: Leaving Winters on during Summer

They wear a bit quicker and don't handle as nicely. But it's not detrimental in the handling stakes as using summers in the winter. Don't drive like a lunatic and it'll be alright.

Or the other side is that maybe nobody will need to change their tyres and we'll be released back into the public in october.
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Re: Leaving Winters on during Summer

They can wear down rather quickly if you drive very sportive and it is 35 degrees, with normal summer temps and normal driving you'll hardly notice the difference.
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With winter coming to an end and its time to swap, I know if you are near the end of life with winters its a common practice to wear them over the summer season as a last hurrah before getting rid of them as insurance companies dont mind winters in summer, they just object at summers during winter.
It's conceivable, but I do not know offhand of such a case, that as your stopping distance increases with winter tyres in hot weather (as opposed to summer tyres in hot weather), an accident where braking and stopping too late causes the accident, your insurance company could see the fitting of the wrong tyres for the weather as an aggravating factor.
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They wear a bit quicker and don't handle as nicely. But it's not detrimental in the handling stakes as using summers in the winter. Don't drive like a lunatic and it'll be alright.

Or the other side is that maybe nobody will need to change their tyres and we'll be released back into the public in october.
I drive like a wet fish, anything above 120 and I start shaking more than the car does.
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We have winters year round on one car, summers year round on another, 4-season on another (used to be winters), and one where we change them.

Lots of people around here run winters year round.

Tom
Winter tires have a much longer breaking distance in warm weather. A lot more. Still totally legal in CH and D, but not everywhere:

While you are currently probably not going to drive to Italy… be aware that driving certain types of winter tyres in summer is illegal there. Fines between 400 EUR to 1700 EUR and possible confiscation of the vehicle.
Source: https://www.t-online.de/auto/id_6854...er-fahren.html
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Re: Leaving Winters on during Summer

I have been wondering about this myself since my summer wheels are stored at the dealer in Germany. There are many Swiss customers in the same situation. As the weather is not warm enough yet to worry about this I am hoping the border will reopen, eventually.
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Re: Leaving Winter [tyres] on during Summer

Good thing we didn't change yet, as it's snowing in Lugano!

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Old 25.03.2020, 18:03
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Winter tires have a much longer breaking distance in warm weather. A lot more.
20% more is not a LOT more.

Not a problem for us, only applies to cheap, low end/low speed tires.

And the only car we have that now uses winter tires year round now is the '98 Panda 4x4, which we normally don't drive in Italy.

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Good thing we didn't change yet, as it's snowing in Lugano!

Tom
Snowing in Morgins too, apparently. Pistes would be great, but no spring skiing this year.

As for tyres, I'm not anticipating that we'll be back in the mountains any time soon, so I'll change the Audi ones back, Landrover is on all weather, VW never had the winters put on, unused as it has been for the last three months.
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20% more is not a LOT more.
A high quality modern car needs something around 35 Meters to stop from 100 km/h. Twenty percent is an extra seven meters. I have been in plenty situations where I did not have that extra space.
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A high quality modern car needs something around 35 Meters to stop from 100 km/h. Twenty percent is an extra seven meters. I have been in plenty situations where I did not have that extra space.
However thats about half what we had to learn parrot fashion to pass a driving test back in the day. Brakes have got better but accidents have not dropped as a result as people take higher risks. 2 second gap would be over 55m !
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Re: Leaving Winter [tyres] on during Summer

When my mechanic noticed once that I had winter tires mounted on my car in the middle of the summer, he told me that it's OK but that on very hot days I should not drive too long on the autobahn. That after an hour I should stop and let the tires cool down. Basically the rubber is softer and will wear down faster in hot weather.
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Re: Leaving Winter [tyres] on during Summer

you can do it but avoid long autobahn drives, and drive relaxed with good distance. I wouldn't do this if you commute by car outside of the immediate urban area.

I can feel that the winter tires don't hold as well when it gets warm, and apparently they can overheat themselves nicely in higher temperatures.
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Re: Leaving Winter [tyres] on during Summer

Here's the TCS, a Swiss organistion for drivers.

https://www.tcs.ch/de/testberichte-r...fzubrauchen---

(in German)
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Re: Leaving Winter [tyres] on during Summer

No problem with winter tyres in summer. Inflate them 10% higher than normal, drive defensively as you always do anyway...
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No problem with winter tyres in summer. Inflate them 10% higher than normal
Eh? Why would you even think of doing that? Certainly not normally recommended - different dimension tyres, as winter ones often are compared with summer, will have a different recommended pressure, but inflating to non-recommended pressures is not a good idea.
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Re: Leaving Winter [tyres] on during Summer

sil and bil from Surrey bought snow tyres for their sport Mercédès to come and spend Christmas with us a few years back and chose to keep them on permanently as it gave them a much smoother, softer ride. When they bought the next Model, they did the same.
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sil and bil from Surrey bought snow tyres for their sport Mercédès to come and spend Christmas with us a few years back and chose to keep them on permanently as it gave them a much smoother, softer ride. When they bought the next Model, they did the same.
Do they know how irresponsible they are?

Do they care?

If they want a smoother and more comfortable car, perhaps a sports model with inevitable harder suspension, is not for them?
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