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Caught a red light in ZH or not?

This evening a camera flashed me twice for passing with a red light.

I was driving south in Europabrucke, ZH, when it becomes Luggwegstrasse (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.3873.../data=!3m1!1e3).

I was on the left lane when in reality I had to go straight. I stopped at the traffic light for going left as it was red.
When all the cars going straight passed by, I decided to move (after several seconds the light was red) and go straight (while using the left lane - yes my bad!), as the traffic light to go straight was green

Will I get a fine?
But my main concern: will it be put on my record? Will I have my driving license suspended?

To be clear, I am very happy to pay a fine to use the wrong lane - I was at clear fault there. But I am wondering whether I will be able to prove that...
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Old 04.05.2020, 21:11
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This evening a camera flashed me twice for passing with a red light.

I was driving south in Europabrucke, ZH, when it becomes Luggwegstrasse (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.3873.../data=!3m1!1e3).

I was on the left lane when in reality I had to go straight. I stopped at the traffic light for going left as it was red.
When all the cars going straight passed by, I decided to move (after several seconds the light was red) and go straight (while using the left lane - yes my bad!), as the traffic light to go straight was green

Will I get a fine?
But my main concern: will it be put on my record? Will I have my driving license suspended?

To be clear, I am very happy to pay a fine to use the wrong lane - I was at clear fault there. But I am wondering whether I will be able to prove that...
Yeah, that's most likely going to be 250Chf, nothing else.
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Old 04.05.2020, 21:19
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Re: Caught a red light in ZH or not?

Probably more for crossing the white line and after several seconds is more than chf 250 I’d think
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Probably more for crossing the white line and after several seconds is more than chf 250 I’d think
I'm not sure whether the camera distinguishes between the solid, white line. I believe that it was just triggered by the red light detector.
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Probably more for crossing the white line and after several seconds is more than chf 250 I’d think
Especially this, if the light has been red for some time or there are other traffic users close-by they could deem it dangerous driving and thus a suspension, a 4 figure fine and such all belongs to the possibilities.

However mostly a cam will just give a 250,- fine, but OP has to wait for the letter to arrive to be certain.
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I'm not sure whether the camera distinguishes between the solid, white line. I believe that it was just triggered by the red light detector.
The cams indeed don't care for the lines that separate the different rows, they just look if somebody passed through on a lane where the light is red.
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Re: Caught a red light in ZH or not?

You may have to wait for about 3 weeks for the fine in the post - just when you think you got away with it, it turns up...
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Re: Caught a red light in ZH or not?

I got a fine at the same place - 250chf. Mine was for passing the red light after less than 1second, so it was "only" 250chf.


It's worth noting that if you pass a red light in your lane, regardless of where you want to go, you passed a red light in your lane. If you then also crossed a solid white line to change lane, that would be an additional infraction (though the camera doesn't detect this)
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Re: Caught a red light in ZH or not?

so glad they dont use the cam for pedestrians. I would be bankrupt!
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Re: Caught a red light in ZH or not?

Do you guys actually look into the law, the ordinance, and the "price list" or just spout random "facts" and figures?


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I was on the left lane when in reality I had to go straight. I stopped at the traffic light for going left as it was red.
When all the cars going straight passed by, I decided to move (after several seconds the light was red) and go straight (while using the left lane - yes my bad!), as the traffic light to go straight was green

Will I get a fine?
You will get a fine or a penalty order.. If the pictures show that you went straight ahead it will be CHF 100. Price list No. 306.2. Pay it and be happy it was not more. No further consequences.

If from the pictures it is not clear that you went straight ahead it will be most likely a penalty order from the prosecutor as the it was red for more than 2 second. Verdict in that case: An income based monetary penalty of around 10 days, if those are on probation a fine of around CHF 600, prosecutor administrative fees of around CHF 400, a criminal record entry for around two years, a note that the case will be forwarded to the driving license authorities. The driving license authority will issue a 3 month ban and add a nice administrative fee bill of CHF 360.

It might be worth to object against the penalty order as the consequences are so big and the correct applicable fine so small.
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Old 05.05.2020, 10:40
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Do you guys actually look into the law, the ordinance, and the "price list" or just spout random "facts" and figures?




You will get a fine or a penalty order.. If the pictures show that you went straight ahead it will be CHF 100. Price list No. 306.2. Pay it and be happy it was not more. No further consequences.

If from the pictures it is not clear that you went straight ahead it will be most likely a penalty order from the prosecutor as the it was red for more than 2 second. Verdict in that case: An income based monetary penalty of around 10 days, if those are on probation a fine of around CHF 600, prosecutor administrative fees of around CHF 400, a criminal record entry for around two years, a note that the case will be forwarded to the driving license authorities. The driving license authority will issue a 3 month ban and add a nice administrative fee bill of CHF 360.

It might be worth to object against the penalty order as the consequences are so big and the correct applicable fine so small.
There was a thread on here not long ago about exactly this - someone that went straight instead of turning, or vice-versa... the consesus was that the camera doesn't care if you went straight or not - you were in a lane with a red light, and you get the fine for that.

That said - if the people who review the images see you went straight (and broke the solid white line), you'll get the 100CHF fine...

So luck of the draw

EDIT - can'tfind the recent one... but here are older ones;

https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...red-light.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...fic-light.html

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Re: Caught a red light in ZH or not?

An ex-GF of mine did something similar and received two fixed penalty notices, one for the red light and one for crossing the unbroken line. If think the total was around 350-400chf, was many years ago.



But if they are fixed penalty notices, and not court determined fines, then pay up and consider yourself lucky.
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An ex-GF of mine did something similar and received two fixed penalty notices, one for the red light and one for crossing the unbroken line. If think the total was around 350-400chf, was many years ago.
My advice: If OP gets a fixed penalty, be it CHF 100 (not observing the arrow), CHF 250 (crossing a red light w/o endangering anyone), or CHF 350 (the combination of the previous two). Pay, be happy, and report here on EF what OBV Numbers were stated. One might fight it down to CHF 100. But it is honestly not worth the time and money.
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You will get a fine or a penalty order.. If the pictures show that you went straight ahead it will be CHF 100. Price list No. 306.2. Pay it and be happy it was not more. No further consequences.

If from the pictures it is not clear that you went straight ahead it will be most likely a penalty order from the prosecutor as the it was red for more than 2 second. Verdict in that case: An income based monetary penalty of around 10 days, if those are on probation a fine of around CHF 600, prosecutor administrative fees of around CHF 400, a criminal record entry for around two years, a note that the case will be forwarded to the driving license authorities. The driving license authority will issue a 3 month ban and add a nice administrative fee bill of CHF 360.

It might be worth to object against the penalty order as the consequences are so big and the correct applicable fine so small.
I am actually more concerned about the penalty order and the criminal record entry

Do you suggest to reach out proactively the police and state my case?
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I am actually more concerned about the penalty order and the criminal record entry

Do you suggest to reach out proactively the police and state my case?
Never wake sleeping dogs, do you want to see and hope you only get like a 250,- fine and be done, or do you want to go there and explain how you were on the wrong lane and decided to not follow your mandatory direction and crossed a line? They often are reasonable here, but feeling mercy for people who deliberately chose to break the rules is not what they are most famous for.
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Do you suggest to reach out proactively the police and state my case?
The first step, is to calm down and get piece of mind. Next step is to wait what will come. It might take a few weeks up to two or three months. Calling at this very early stage will not result in anything. First, the data has to be collected, than a person will look at the pictures and open a case based on what is seen.

If it is a case where a simple fine can be issued they will send a letter with the fine to the registered holder of the vehicle.

If it is a case where they think a simple fine can not be issued the registered holder will get a letter where they have to name the driver. Driver/holder might be also invited and questioned by the police as well.

There is nothing you can do proactively (apart from not running more red lights or excessive speeding) before you get the letter. Calling them at that stage might even hurt. As you know: Anything you say can and especially will be used against you. I know it sucks to just wait for the unknown. Waiting and not knowing what will come can be quite cumbersome and be the bigger penalty than the actual fine. Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.
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No, don't do that.
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I am actually more concerned about the penalty order and the criminal record entry

Do you suggest to reach out proactively the police and state my case?
These are unlikely to be recorded in your criminal record as they are minor traffic offences...if they are fixed penalty notices then you are definitely safe as they are filed "anonymously" if paid on time (although they will be linked to your name, just not officially).

If you were doing 80km/h in a 30 zone that would be a different matter.
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Re: Caught a red light in ZH or not?

Many thanks to everyone who provided feedback.

I'll report back when I'll receive the fine.
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Many thanks to everyone who provided feedback.

I'll report back when I'll receive the fine.
IF you receive a fine. There is always the possibility that something didn't work on their side. You never know.
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