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due to norms being increasingly strict, new diesels have more annoying things and their future resale value is doubtful.

Particulate filters need longer drives to reach the temperature to be cleaned out properly.
If you use a diesel just in the city, you risk damaging it.
Many modern gasoline cars also have a particle filter, so it doesn't really matter.
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Old 05.07.2020, 07:42
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Neither. Go electric vehicle in the future. Good for environment.
Yes, fossil-fueled ICE vehicles are so 20th century....
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Old 05.07.2020, 08:50
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I had 3 diesel cars in a row, culminating in a 6cyl 3.0 BMW lump which was divine on the highway. I now have a T5 2.0 petrol Volvo with similar on paper figures to my beamer but it simply cannot compare. Sure its quieter around town and performance is a little smoother but I miss the extra torque and the effortless, low revving performance on the highway. There is also something to be said about being able to get 900 km on a full tank versus the 500 or so now.

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I get 1000km per tank with my petrol car... well it should be able to do it, never actually tried as I chicken out at 900. My C3 does around 4.3 to 4.4 L per 100km and has a 45 L tank... But I am one of those people in the right lane doing 97 on cruise control, independent of the posted limit. I like driving my car, going slow makes me enjoy for longer...

I dont like accellerating or braking... on my 750cc motorcycle i regularly see 2.9L/100km

The perfect car for my driving style would be a Cadillac Eldorado convertable from the 70-ies... at least my C3 has the same handling :-)
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Old 05.07.2020, 09:00
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I get 1000km per tank with my petrol car... well it should be able to do it, never actually tried as I chicken out at 900. My C3 does around 4.3 to 4.4 L per 100km and has a 45 L tank... But I am one of those people in the right lane doing 97 on cruise control, independent of the posted limit. I like driving my car, going slow makes me enjoy for longer...

I dont like accellerating or braking... on my motorcycle i regularly see 2.9L/100km

The perfect car for my driving style would be a Cadillac Eldorado convertable from the 70-ies... at least my C3 has the same handling :-)
That Eldorado would likely guzzle 18 liters even with your driving style
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Old 05.07.2020, 11:29
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I get 1000km per tank with my petrol car... well it should be able to do it, never actually tried as I chicken out at 900. My C3 does around 4.3 to 4.4 L per 100km and has a 45 L tank... But I am one of those people in the right lane doing 97 on cruise control, independent of the posted limit. I like driving my car, going slow makes me enjoy for longer...
Now I know why the left lane on the A3 never goes faster then 100 KMH.
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Hi,

I'm trying to buy a car in Switzerland and keep reading everywhere a diesel is only worth it if you drive over a certain amount (~>15k km).
However why do people say this? Neither the road taxes, insurance nor purchase price seem to be higher for Diesel (at least for the models I'm looking at) and the fuel is cheaper too.
Am I missing something? it seems Diesel is superior in every way.

Thanks!
That recommendation makes more sense in countries where diesel is cheaper than petrol.
Meaning you would be willing to pay a bit of the premium for the slightly more expensive car (diesel) if you are doing significantly more mileage where that premium "pays off".
In CH, given the situation with the fuel prices, that pay-off threshold is higher.

And additionally, diesel cars in general consume less L/per 100km than petrol.

So yoou would need to work out your own math to see whether it makes sense for you.
But if, as you say, price for the same car with diesel vs. petrol is the same, the only "risk" to take into account are possible future bans (like in DE).
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Re: Diesel or petrol car

What is the risk of Switzerland banning diesel cars? I see less news articles on it than in other countries.

I have a 9-year-old diesel in perfect condition. It has never had a single problem. I prefer to keep it than buy a Tesla that breaks down every 10k.
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Re: Diesel or petrol car

At the moment the risk is zero. No country is banning existing cars and you will keep yours.

What some countries are banning is the sale of new diesel cars, and only starting from 10-15 years in the future. So you'll likely be able to buy another one when your current vehicle reaches its limit.

A note about Switzerland: the country is too small to be really independent in some sectors and the market will just follow what happens in the continent; automotive is one of those sectors, meaning that if diesel/petrol cars are banned in EU/Europe then production and import will be mostly halted. If something remains available, prices won't be those we are used to.
That's why IMHO the discussion here is not really what to ban or when, rather how to deal with the West-wide phasing off of ICE vehicles, which seems now the official trend:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzer...ption/47597790
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What is the risk of Switzerland banning diesel cars? I see less news articles on it than in other countries.

I have a 9-year-old diesel in perfect condition. It has never had a single problem. I prefer to keep it than buy a Tesla that breaks down every 10k.
Careful with hurting EV driver's feelings

About diesel car ban, I've only seen Geneva copying some rules from France ( quelle surprise!), specifically restrict the circulation of some cars during high pollution days. More details here: https://www.eda.admin.ch/missions/mi...on-Geneve.html

Since the average age of Swiss car fleet is recent, lots of EVs and hybrids, I'd bet there will not be a diesel car ban because the average emissions per car keep falling.

Also, I'd like to know if higher fuel prices have lead to a reduction in private car use or not. So far, there are complains in other threads about fuel price. An additional 50% increase in fuel price wouldn't hurt overall tailpipe emissions at all.
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Old 03.08.2022, 13:14
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Also, I'd like to know if higher fuel prices have lead to a reduction in private car use or not. So far, there are complains in other threads about fuel price. An additional 50% increase in fuel price wouldn't hurt overall tailpipe emissions at all.
My son recently drove through Germany. On the unrestricted parts of the Autobahn, he was doing the maximum allowed for the vehicle with a roof ten, which is 110km/h. He said hardly anyone was overtaking him.

So higher fuel prices could have led to a reduction in speed, at least.
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