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Registering a car in an EU country without residence

I'd like to register an used car somewhere in EU without using it in CH. Most likely I will not have a residence in chosen country, I need to look for a natural person or company which would make this "like" for me (with private contract regarding ownership, using, penalties...)

Can you give me some tipps foir this plan? Maybe some companies which offer such services? Which countries would you recommend?

I have good experience with Lithuania: no car tax, cheap insurance with EU coverage, technical inspection can be made i.e. in Germany or France... But Lithuania is quite far from Switzerland and first registration must be made on-site
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Re: Registering a car in an EU country without residence

My guess is they don't. I've never heard of such a thing. Use a rental car instead if you need to have a car in another country.
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Re: Registering a car in an EU country without residence

Why would you do that? Doesn't make sense at all.
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Re: Registering a car in an EU country without residence

Edit: never mind the post, sorry - should've read more carefully

Are you aware that in most EU countries it is forbidden for a resident of the country to drive a car in that country that has foreign plates? I did not find an authoritative link about Switzerland, but I recall something about it being similar.
The reason is basically to forbid people from doing what you are planning to do

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Are you aware that in most EU countries it is forbidden for a resident of the country to drive a car in that country that has foreign plates? I did not find an authoritative link about Switzerland, but I recall something about it being similar.
The reason is basically to forbid people from doing what you are planning to do
That is NOT what he is planning to do at all.

He wants to register and use it in the EU, perfectly legal if he doesn't use it in CH.

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Are you aware that in most EU countries it is forbidden for a resident of the country to drive a car in that country that has foreign plates?
If he's resident in Switzerland, then driving a Lithuanian registered car in France won't be an issue then.
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Why would you do that? Doesn't make sense at all.
To "save" CHF 500 or so per year.

A possible option is to get vacation home, like in France. I think France has no road tax.
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To "save" CHF 500 or so per year.

A possible option is to get vacation home, like in France. I think France has no road tax.
We are in the process of registering a UK car in France at a holiday home, French second hand cars are very poor value, I would get a Swiss car but then VAT needs to be paid.
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Re: Registering a car in an EU country without residence

Dead simple in the UK - you just need a mailbox or other postal address.

V5c goes in your name, registered at whatever (UK) postal address you give.

Keep in mind that fines will go there too, so if you don't check your mail, you may be in for a nasty surprise...

EDIT: The typical use case, for those who don't get why you would do this, is to have a car at your holiday home/destination.... or in my case 3 motorbikes

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Dead simple in the UK - you just need a mailbox or other postal address.

V5c goes in your name, registered at whatever (UK) postall address you give.

Keep in mind that fines will go there too, so if you don't check your mail, you may be in for a nasty surprise...

I think the OP should just go for it. It's a guarantee for some good future Friday threads.
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That is NOT what he is planning to do at all.

He wants to register and use it in the EU, perfectly legal if he doesn't use it in CH.

Tom
Ah yep, literally in the first sentence - shame on me
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Re: Registering a car in an EU country without residence

Depending on your circumstances you can also get a CH car, leave it wherever you want, take plates back home with you.
When you go back to your destination, take plates with you.

You only pay tax, insurance for when you use the car.
Won't work if you want to do it every week, as there is nominal fee every time you get plates back to discourage people doing that all the time, so it could add up.
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Depending on your circumstances you can also get a CH car, leave it wherever you want, take plates back home with you.
When you go back to your destination, take plates with you.
Good idea, apart from the small fact that it most likely would be smuggling, tax and duty evasion.

A car brought into another customs area by a tourist must usually be taken out of the customs area when the tourist leaves. In addition and even in absent of the previous rule there is usually a time limit how long a vehicle can be in the foreign customs area. According the Istanbul convention on temporary admission, and if the law of the foreign customs area has no better provisions, this is only 6 months. As usual with such things, like murder, speeding, and smuggling, you are fine as long as you are not caught.
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Good idea, apart from the small fact that it most likely would be smuggling, tax and duty evasion.

A car brought into another customs area by a tourist must usually be taken out of the customs area when the tourist leaves. In addition and even in absent of the previous rule there is usually a time limit how long a vehicle can be in the foreign customs area. According the Istanbul convention on temporary admission, and if the law of the foreign customs area has no better provisions, this is only 6 months. As usual with such things, like murder, speeding, and smuggling, you are fine as long as you are not caught.
I keep a motorcycle in Trieste year round with Swiss plates for the past 8 years.

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Dead simple in the UK - you just need a mailbox or other postal address.

V5c goes in your name, registered at whatever (UK) postal address you give.
I think he's looking for a legal way of doing it, and that most certainly is not. You need to actually be resident in the UK, not just have a postal address there.
https://www.gov.uk/change-address-driving-licence

I think the same would apply to other EU countries as well, which is presumably why the OP is looking to register it in someone else's name. Even if it can be done legally, it's most likely that some special insurance would need to be acquired to cover regular use by a non-resident.

There are loads of ways to get round the law as you're doing, and loads of people do it, but in the event of a serious accident or in-depth investigation you're going to find yourself in all sorts of trouble ranging from rejected claims to possible prosecution for fraudulently obtaining insurance by giving a false address, i.e. by pretending that you live where you've registered it.
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Good idea, apart from the small fact that it most likely would be smuggling, tax and duty evasion.

A car brought into another customs area by a tourist must usually be taken out of the customs area when the tourist leaves. In addition and even in absent of the previous rule there is usually a time limit how long a vehicle can be in the foreign customs area. According the Istanbul convention on temporary admission, and if the law of the foreign customs area has no better provisions, this is only 6 months. As usual with such things, like murder, speeding, and smuggling, you are fine as long as you are not caught.

I like how murder, speeding, and smuggling are comparable.


Working hypothesis:
I own a car, registered, taxed, insured in Switzerland.

Scenario A:
I visit [Country] by driving there, stay for [period of time]. I use the car for [period of time], and I return by driving the car home. When I go back to the same country, I do the process all over again.

Scenario B:
I visit [Country] by driving there, stay for [period of time]. I use the car for [period of time], and I return home. The car stays stored and inoperational in [Country]. When I go back the the same country, I put the plates back on again, and drive around.

How are the two scenarios different practically? I'll need to get the car out of [Country] every now and then for MFK anyway.

I'm not talking about living there all the time, driving there all the time, and clearly abusing the system. I'm saying that for very occasional use (like 2-3 weeks every 6 months or something) it's not super shady, and not super egregious either...
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Dead simple in the UK - you just need a mailbox or other postal address.

V5c goes in your name, registered at whatever (UK) postal address you give.

Keep in mind that fines will go there too, so if you don't check your mail, you may be in for a nasty surprise...

EDIT: The typical use case, for those who don't get why you would do this, is to have a car at your holiday home/destination.... or in my case 3 motorbikes
UK isn't an EU country
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How are the two scenarios different practically? I'll need to get the car out of [Country] every now and then for MFK anyway.
You were permitted a tax and duty exempted, temporary import and use in the foreign customs area under the sole condition that you follow the customs law and export the good at the end of the permit period.

Yes it is a rules are rule issue. But in the end it is always that.

A 35 year in Germany can fornicate with a 14 year old, do the same in Switzerland and you will go to jail. What's the difference? Rules.

In Switzerland you can pay someone money and have a good shagging time (if both are 18 years old) do the same in Sweden and you will land in jail. What is the difference? Rules.

In Germany you can drive on some stretches of the Autobahn up to speed possible by your vehicles, in Switzerland you would go to jail. What is the difference? Rules.

In Switzerland I can carry without any issue at all my Victorinox Hunter, Forester, Ranger, Rescue Tool or Swiss Armin Knife 08. In France or UK I might get in big trouble if I have not good reasonable cause. (I just hope my Rescue Tool in the glove box will never put me in said trouble). What is the difference? Rules.

There are many more victimless crimes, where in the end you could ask: Whats the difference if I had it done slightly differently. The SBB had (or have they?) one such stupid thing: You bought your mobile ticked before the train actually departed but after it was scheduled to leave? Ticket void and you get treated as a fare dodger.
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Re: Registering a car in an EU country without residence

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I think he's looking for a legal way of doing it, and that most certainly is not. You need to actually be resident in the UK, not just have a postal address there.
https://www.gov.uk/change-address-driving-licence

I think the same would apply to other EU countries as well, which is presumably why the OP is looking to register it in someone else's name. Even if it can be done legally, it's most likely that some special insurance would need to be acquired to cover regular use by a non-resident.

There are loads of ways to get round the law as you're doing, and loads of people do it, but in the event of a serious accident or in-depth investigation you're going to find yourself in all sorts of trouble ranging from rejected claims to possible prosecution for fraudulently obtaining insurance by giving a false address, i.e. by pretending that you live where you've registered it.
Except that's not for a car, but for a driving license.


It is perfectly legal to own a car in the UK as a non-resident, suggesting otherwise is pretty preposterous. Very similar to saying that non-residents cannot buy other goods.



Keep in mind that a v5c is not proof of ownership, but just the registration of the registered keeper.


May also be worth reading this FOI request:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ress_in_the_uk
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I like how murder, speeding, and smuggling are comparable.
Probably deliberately chosen for humour. <pedant>And they are comparable. Murder is worse than smuggling. See - I made a comparison. </pedant>
 




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