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Soon to be age 16, motorcycle license?

Hello, soon I am turning 16, and have been keen to get myself a motorcycle license. The thing is, with the new law about to be in set in place soon that will lower the age limits (at the new year (January 1, 2021), I'm not sure if which one to get...

As of right now, it is required to be of 18 years of age for the A restricted license, and 16/18 for the A1 license, depending on the power you want.

With the new law thats about to be set in place, the A restricted will turn from 18 to 16, and the A1 will go from 16/18 to 15/16. There.

What I really want to know is if it is worth getting the A restricted (and possibly spend more effort) or the higher version of the A1 is enough. Are the qualifications and steps required about identical? If that's the case, then I will just go for the A restricted... and allow myself the right for a more powerful motorcycle...

if anyone could help, that would be much appreciated.
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Re: Soon to be age 16, motorcycle license?

Saw the thread and lost it as it was not under transportation.

First, the upcoming changes of the Verkehrszulassungsverordnung have been officially published in AS 2019 191. Anything else is hearsay. So is what follows (it is my best interpretation of what the changes are.)

Second, a comparison what is now vs. what will be:

Till end of 2020 (Current VTS Ordinance SR 741.51 https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...000/741.51.pdf):
14 years or older: Category M (Mofa). Max. 50 ccm, max 1kW, max 30 km/h (up to 45 km/h in case of an e-bike with pedaling support).

16 years or older: Category A1 (displacement restricted) Max. 50 ccm and max. 11 kW (technically do not expect more than 6 kW) OR No displacement limit and max 4 kW in case of electric motor or diesel engine.

16 years or older Category A1 (45 km/h restricted) Max. 50 ccm and max 45 km/h. (Note: this is an "old category" which people got in the past or when they convert a blue paper license with category F into a credit card license).

18 years or older: Category A1: Max. 125 ccm and max 11 kW.

18 years or older: Category A (35 kW power restricted) Restricted to max. 35 kw and max 0,20 kW/kg power to weight ratio, no displacement restrictions.

18 years or older: Category A (unrestricted) No restrictions if you had a power restricted license for at least 2 years, or converted a foreign license w/o restrictions, or got your license in military or police.

25 years or older: Category A (unrestricted). No restrictions.
--END of list---

From January 2021 (Upcoming changes of VTS Ordinance, AS 2019 191 https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official...2019/191.pdf):
14 years or older: Category M (Mofa) Max. 50 ccm, max 1kW, max 30 km/h (up to 45 km/h in case of an e-bike with pedaling support).

15 years or older: Category A1 (45 km/h speed restricted) Max. 50 ccm, max. 4 kW, and max 45 km/h.

16 years or older: Category A1. Max. 125 ccm and max 11 kw.

18 years or older: Category A (35 kW power restricted) Restricted to max. 35 kw and max 0,20 kW/kg power to weight ratio, no displacement restrictions.

18 years or older: Category A (unrestricted) No restrictions if you had a power restricted category A license for at least 2 years (and passed second practical exam), or converted a foreign license w/o restrictions, or got your license in military or police.
--END of list---

Note: the age for the A restricted remains at 18 years. No changes there.

Lifting of the A1 restrictions is by age alone. Those 16 to 18 year old which now have the displacement restricted A1 should be able to ride 125 ccm starting January 1st 2021.

Other changes: Basic motorcycle training for the A1 licenses will be increased from 8 hours to 12 hours. Those wo got there A1 learners permit before 2021 only have to do the 8 hours training (not sure if the 8 hour courses are still offered in 2021).


Third, your options:

You get a A1 learners permit now and do the needed 8 hours basic training (must be done with 4 months of acquiring the learners permit). For this you will need a 50 ccm scooter/motorcycle.
OR you wait till 2021 and do the basic training, which then will be 12 hours, with your shiny new 125 ccm (can also be done with a 50 ccm).
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Re: Soon to be age 16, motorcycle license?

Damn... thanks for in-detail guide. The official documents are not in English, and so it was a bit hard to separate what is true from what is not. So you're saying the A restricted is not changing?

That's a bit sad, but oh well.

Then I guess the A1 is my way forward?

If so, could you please also tell me if it is possible to sit the learners' permit for the A1 under-16? That way, I could just rent a max. 50 ccm bike for the test, do the required 8 hours, get learners' permit and then buy an actual 125ccm once the new year rolls around? Seems like the best of both worlds, no?
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So you're saying the A restricted is not changing?

That's a bit sad, but oh well.
Honestly speaking? I do not know if 125 ccm for 16 years old's is the brightest idea. I have one in my garage which is more than powerful enough for any teens need. You can have a lot of fun and real independence with a 125 ccm motorcycle. 35 kW motorcycles for 16 year old would be a literal death trap.

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If so, could you please also tell me if it is possible to sit the learners' permit for the A1 under-16? That way, I could just rent a max. 50 ccm bike for the test, do the required 8 hours, get learners' permit and then buy an actual 125ccm once the new year rolls around? Seems like the best of both worlds, no?
If you turn 16 this year renting a 50 ccm for the 8 hour mandatory basic training and practical test, and then buy the 125 ccm you are oogling might be an option (you can already buy it now, but can not ride it). But renting ain't cheap and they expect that you can actually ride the scooter/motorcycle at the practical test. This means you will need some training.

There is one other change between the old and the new system. Part of the process is the mandatory Verkehrskunde (Traffic theory courses). In the old system you did the Verkehrskunde after you got your learners permit. In the new system you must do the Verkehrskunde before you get the learners permit.

The things you can do before age 16 (under the old law, valid till end of 2020).
- First aid training (Nothelferkurs)
- Learning for theory exam.
- One month before you turn 16 you can do the theory exam.

The things you can do before age 15 (under the new law, applies only after January 2021).
- First aid training (Nothelferkurs)
- Learning for theory exam.
- Do the Verkehrskundekurs
- One month before you turn 15 you can do the theory exam.

As you see there are two things which will not change: You need first aid training and you will have to study the traffic rules for the exam.
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Re: Soon to be age 16, motorcycle license?

I'd get the 125cc license... 125cc is not that much and the bikes are not that powerful. But they do have a noticably better chasis and brakes than a 50 cc (which are just glorified bicycles). The second hand market is also much bigger, lots of them available.

If you're looking for a 125cc, get one with disk brakes front and rear, and ABS. A Honda SH125 or something similar.
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I'd get the 125cc license...


125 ccm is Category A1. Till end of 2020 you must be 18 to ride 125 ccm with your A1 license. Otherwise you are restricted to 50 ccm. From 2021 the 50 ccm restriction for 16 to 18 year old's no longer applies.

For all those <18 year old which now (year 2020) have the A1 license and are restricted to 50 ccm due to age, the restriction is lifted 00:00:00, January 1st 2021.

The question is: Should OP start the A1 license acquisition process now or later? There are pros and cons for both approach. But in both options you can ride 125 ccm motorcycles as a less than 18 year old starting January 1st, 2021.

PS: One thing to consider is that basic motorcycle training courses during the winter months are rare and scare (exception, as usual, might be Ticino)
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Re: Soon to be age 16, motorcycle license?

ASITUS - Is your 125 a 2-smoker? Most of the modern 4 stroke 125's are barely a step up from the old 50cc 2 strokes. A 125 2 stroke on the other hand is a fun little thing.

I'd say start the A1 process including all the ancillary stuff now if you can.
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ASITUS - Is your 125 a 2-smoker? Most of the modern 4 stroke 125's are barely a step up from the old 50cc 2 strokes. A 125 2 stroke on the other hand is a fun little thing.
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My daughter uses a RS125DX as a daily driver.

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If so, could you please also tell me if it is possible to sit the learners' permit for the A1 under-16?
No.

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My daughter uses a RS125DX as a daily driver.

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Daily until rebuilds? I don't miss my Aprilia RS125 days where it was a dream for 2 months and then a horror for 2 weeks trying to get parts.
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Re: Soon to be age 16, motorcycle license?

'81 Yamaha RS125DX.

No rebuilds yet, just cables and brake pads mostly, which I get on EBAY and keep spares.

Main problem is fouled plugs, which she knows how to change, and running it out of oil, which she did once but now always checks.

I will do a check this week, as she starts work and school again next week.

Also, if she gets off her ass and gets her learners for the big bike, she can have her sister's CBR 600 RR (sister emigrated to AUS last December).

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Don't listen to all these old people.

Get a Honda Grom . (In CH these are called MSX125).
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Re: Soon to be age 16, motorcycle license?

I found an interesting bit which I am yet to fact-check, but may be useful for someone who's planning on taking the A this year(which is near to impossible as all schools are fully booked):

*. Muss ich meine Prüfung dieses Jahr abschliessen, weil ab 2021 neue Gesetze in Kraft treten?
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Nein. Du hast Zeit bis dein Lernfahrausweis abläuft. Achtung: Hast du ein Kat A35kW Lernfahrausweis? Dann bekommst du nach 2 Jahre die Kat A nur geschenkt, wenn du die Kat A35kW im 2020 abschliesst.
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https://www.moto.ch/toeff-fuehrersch...ein%20braucht.


Übergangsbestimmungen

Als Autofahrer, der über 25 Jahre alt ist, ist der Töff-Führerschein also eine relativ kurze Sache: Lernfahrausweis beantragen, Grundkurs besuchen, Prüfung ablegen. So ist’s eben allerdings nur noch 2020. Glücklicherweise gibt’s allerdings einige Übergangsbestimmungen. So muss lediglich der Lernfahrausweis bis zum 31. Dezember 2020 beantragt werden, Grundschulung und Prüfung können auch 2021 absolviert werden. Und das ist denn auch die wichtigste Message aus diesem Artikel: Wer noch vom Direkteinstieg profitieren möchte, muss seinen Lernfahrausweis zwingend vor dem 31.12.2020 beantragen.
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I found an interesting bit which I am yet to fact-check, but may be useful for someone who's planning on ?
First this thread is about the the youngsters and not the old gits.

Second this is a Wendy's Englishforum, observer your language please and use deepl.com when beieng lazy (always good to quote the original text as well).

Finally. Yes it is true. Simply because the change of the rules only applies who can acquire a learners permit and not who can do the test. Beginning with January 1st, 2021 you only get an A unrestricted learners permit, if you had the A restricted license for at least two years. Up to December 31st 2020 the only condition to get a A unrestricted learners permit is to be 25 years old.

Be aware about the following problems: Your local driving license place might be closed at the end of the year and cannot issue a learners permit in time. Better to apply before Christmas. Also you must do the mandatory basic motorcycle training within 4 months of acquiring the learners permit. Basic motorcycle training are rare and scare during the winter months.
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