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Old 08.09.2020, 12:52
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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

Don't know what's on your plan for "remote" BUT if you plan to actually live on one of the Swiss mountains......We're living at 1100m in a small community of around 400 houses. We've had no shortage of snow every winter for 8 years. Nearly everyone has a Subaru, or Skoda, or one of those nippy "toy cars" with high clearance - the Suzuki Jimmy is a good example.

Other than us, no one uses a "heavy" 4WD. We had a Landrover Disco (lots of maintenance costs but amazing torque), but swapped it out a couple of years ago for a Toyota Landcruiser (much more reliable). We love it for all sorts of reasons BUT being so heavy (just like the Landrovers and the Jeeps), it is a cow to stop quickly when going downhill on snowy and icy roads, especially on the particularly steep road sections....

Cannot recommend enough the need for high clearance - when the roads haven't been cleared, or if "traffic" has created a mound down the middle of the road, it is essential. Dedicated 4WD option also a good idea - every winter we're asked to tow "all wheel drive" Audi's etc out of snow drifts and it cannot be coincidence that all of our Swissy mountain neighbours keep their AWD vehicles in garages the moment the snow properly sets in.....Snow chains on our mountain are a joke. Again, the number of times I've warned tradesmen of our road conditions in advance, and then had to drive down to rescue them...
In fairness, we have a private road, so everything revolves around the farmers coming to clear it. In other areas with ski resorts etc, maybe the roads are better kept to reduce snow and ice?

We budget for new winter tyres every year as well - trying to eek them out over 2 winter seasons has not been always been successful.

Would recommend an advanced driving course done in whatever vehicle you wind up buying - there are at least a couple of skid pan sites around the country that specifically simulate black ice conditions - essential knowledge if you're planning to be winter driving in the Alps.

Finally, try and get a garage or at least a sturdy carport to store your vehicle under. It's one thing to have to clear your driveway constantly, but certainly the novelty of digging your vehicle out from under 2metres of snow wears off quickly.

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Old 09.09.2020, 09:28
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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

Thanks for all the helpful posts. I have a better idea of everything now. I have narrowed down to the following vehicles (in no particular order)-

Suzuki Jimney (Axed from Europe unfortunately due to emission laws!!!)
Subaru Outback/Forester
Skoda Kodiaq
Skoda Octavia
Fiat Panda Cross
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Suzuki Jimney (Axed from Europe unfortunately due to emission laws!!!)

That's a pity but there are still 50 new ones for sale on Autoscout24.
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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

For high-clearance, rarely anything beats the G-class.


Except on price, of course.
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Thanks for all the helpful posts. I have a better idea of everything now. I have narrowed down to the following vehicles (in no particular order)-

Suzuki Jimney (Axed from Europe unfortunately due to emission laws!!!)
Subaru Outback/Forester
Skoda Kodiaq
Skoda Octavia
Fiat Panda Cross

The Jimny is dead, long live the Jimny . You said you don't need more than 1 seat, so 2 seats is enough https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the...an-stay-alive/

I was surprised that such a small car with such fuel economy has similar CO2 emissions to a Porsche Cayman.
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The Jimny is dead, long live the Jimny . You said you don't need more than 1 seat, so 2 seats is enough https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the...an-stay-alive/
Perfect!!!! Second seat is always required for female passenger but the rear ones can definitely go. More cargo space.

Why does Suzuki not just put a more modern engine though?


I am getting really attached to the Jimny. I just realised that a very overweight farmer, who's flat I rented once for vacation was actually driving a Jimny. At the time I remember thinking that it looks like a toy car for his body size


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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

Well, you need to be rather large for the Jimny to look like a toy car. Daihatsus look like toys even for short and slender people.
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I like the retro simple look



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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

Suzuki Jimny
Suzuki Swift 4x4, aka. Subaru Justy in CH
Fiat Panda 4x4

These are all no-thrills cheap and reliable small plastic boxes that will get you from A to B safely.
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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

We missed the Toyota GRJ71. Still a couple for sale in Switzerland.

https://www.autoscout24.ch/7164341
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We missed the Toyota GRJ71. Still a couple for sale in Switzerland.

https://www.autoscout24.ch/7164341
Nice ride, but 72k CHF is quite (massively) steep for what you get.
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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

What kind of max milage on the clock should I aim for when buying second hand?
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What kind of max milage on the clock should I aim for when buying second hand?
I think it really depends on the make, model of the car. (+ how it was used (towing, short distance driving etc) and the service records)

Generally I search upto 80K km for a 2.0L and above for diesels older than 5 years.

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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

I saw this morning a Puch and remembered them. Retro looks, a MB G class for the Swiss Army, I'm curious about them but I have no idea about repair costs or hidden troubles. https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/autos/...e=63&vehtyp=10
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Re: What value vehicle for Swiss mountian roads?

German article about a "commercial vehicle" version of the Jimny.

https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Nut...y-4890034.html


If you don't have kids, that may be even more practical.
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I'd be more worried about steel rust than mileage. But, as Jeep Life said 5 years max may be a nice compromise. 3-4yr old models with 30-50k km have already depreciated 40-50% and still in very good condition. So, if you were looking for better value the 3-4 yr old car already has it. No need to risk with older models.
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Cars with more than 100k are often a bargain as the Swiss seem to think it will fall apart by then.
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I'd be more worried about steel rust than mileage. But, as Jeep Life said 5 years max may be a nice compromise. 3-4yr old models with 30-50k km have already depreciated 40-50% and still in very good condition. So, if you were looking for better value the 3-4 yr old car already has it. No need to risk with older models.
I generally buy 10 year old vehicles that have depreciated 85%, still loadof life in them.
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Should have enough space to spend a night or two in it.



Hope you're also searching for "fold-flat seats" !!
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