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Old 07.09.2020, 16:32
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Stolen vehicles

Quick question for the collective EF wisdom. Here it seems that bikes are stolen quite frequently. A significant proportion of people I know have had their bike stolen. Yet, I know very few people who had their car stolen. Why is this?

Is it because cars are better protected? That they are more difficult to sell on? If it is the registration/licensing - can this be introduced to reduce bike theft?
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Re: Stolen vehicles

Easy to steal a bike and dispose of it. The old system had them registered with a number liked to the frame number but it did little reduce thefts.
Some "thefts" are just insurance scams.
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Old 07.09.2020, 17:04
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Re: Stolen vehicles

No market for stolen cars or motorcycles.

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Old 07.09.2020, 17:12
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Re: Stolen vehicles

Because bicycles are smaller, their protection is easier to be compromised, they don’t make noise when moved, easier to hide and change the paint work.

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Old 07.09.2020, 17:14
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No market for stolen cars or motorcycles.

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I was stopped once by Swiss police in a UK plated "high-value car" their words not mine! They said a lot were stolen then driven across Europe into eastern European countries whatever that means.

Whilst there is no market in CH I guess for a dodgy motor (Well done CH!)...

There is a market for stolen motors in the UK a lot enter shipping containers with a destination we shall say countries "east of the continent", where they are stolen to order (lax registration requirements/corrupt systems or broken into parts.) I guess the same is for most of Europe with police not on the ball, or it's impossible to police. (Thousands of shipping containers to check)

I'm surprised there aren't more chop shops in CH as the local market conditions mean there are a lot more interesting motors to break up.
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Old 07.09.2020, 17:21
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Is it because cars are better protected?
Nope, easier than ever to steal you don't even have to play with wires or hack a window open see "Relay Theft"

https://dwkujuq9vpuly.cloudfront.net...3/car-adac.pdf
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Re: Stolen vehicles

Bikes can easily be disassembled in an apartment and shipped. I remember one gang was shipping the pieces to spain where they were re-assembled and sold. No one is going to check the spanish craigslist for their stolen bike. In any case it's very easy to ride one over the border as well e.g. in basel and sell to an intermediary. Cheap common ones could be sold at a swiss flea market without much risk, or even online if one is patient for the "heat" to come down.
Stolen cars need a chop shop, that is usually a garage, and then the car is resold as spare parts, this is for cheap cars that are not traceable (indeed they are the most common stolen cars e.g. in italy) so if you consider in the swiss context the risk of being caught and the low added value for the whole bunch of people involved it makes sense that it is not an interesting market. Expensive cars that you want to sell whole require being driven very far to the destination countries (Eastern Europe) where it is possible to register them, again risky but doable if you don't employ swiss residents.
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Old 08.09.2020, 19:06
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Re: Stolen vehicles

What always amazes me in Switzerland is how there are so many farm vehicles that are left in open barns and in fields in some quite isolated areas.

I have 2 farmer friends in the UK and I can't tell you how many times they have had farm equipment and vehicles stolen. In my area in Switzerland so many tractors etc just look ready to be loaded up and taken away..
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Old 08.09.2020, 19:15
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Re: Stolen vehicles

I think most bicycles are borrowed yet not returned. You're drunk, it's late or you're in a hurry and that bicycle standing there is the solution. And all you do is park it at arrival. Unfortunately the owner doesn't know where that is.
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Old 08.09.2020, 19:19
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Re: Stolen vehicles

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Quick question for the collective EF wisdom. Here it seems that bikes are stolen quite frequently. A significant proportion of people I know have had their bike stolen. Yet, I know very few people who had their car stolen. Why is this?

Is it because cars are better protected? That they are more difficult to sell on? If it is the registration/licensing - can this be introduced to reduce bike theft?
Many bicycles that get stolen are not stolen to keep or sell, but just because somebody missed the last tram and needs to ride home. Cheap crappy locks make it easy for people who know the tricks.

There are probably about as many abandoned bicycles as there are stolen bicycles.
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Old 08.09.2020, 19:28
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What always amazes me in Switzerland is how there are so many farm vehicles that are left in open barns and in fields in some quite isolated areas.

I have 2 farmer friends in the UK and I can't tell you how many times they have had farm equipment and vehicles stolen. In my area in Switzerland so many tractors etc just look ready to be loaded up and taken away..
The Swiss have learned to take the keys indoors with them, when they finish for the day.
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Old 08.09.2020, 19:39
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Re: Stolen vehicles

How many theft experts on the EF? Hmm
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Old 08.09.2020, 19:54
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How many theft experts on the EF? Hmm
Maybe they are only experts coz they got their bikes stolen..

Kids get their bikes and scooters stolen locked in front of schools, it pains me that it happens.
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Old 08.09.2020, 20:10
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Re: Stolen vehicles

Thankful for the society we seem to live in here.. Indeed, surrounded by farms and all of their equipment, roadworks tools and vehicles.. you name it.

Back where I came from things like JCB diggers had the cab enclosed in steel plates to deter theft, they looked like armoured vehicles. So they just got vandalised instead.

My car.. I never lock it (locally) .. Partly because I think it'll be fine, partly because if they want steal something inside they can do it without breaking a window.
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Old 08.09.2020, 20:17
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Re: Stolen vehicles

Back home cars are broken into for dumb stuff like radios (so people bring them home, or used to when it wasn't built in), but here? What would people take? Tissues, desinfectant..air freshener. Is it obvious I haven't driven for a while
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Old 08.09.2020, 20:29
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Back home cars are broken into for dumb stuff like radios (so people bring them home, or used to when it wasn't built in), but here? What would people take? Tissues, desinfectant..air freshener. Is it obvious I haven't driven for a while
Maybe it's the disgusting masks hanging from the rear view mirror that keeps the cars safe..


Good on the cops for fining people for it.
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Old 09.09.2020, 08:49
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Thankful for the society we seem to live in here.. Indeed, surrounded by farms and all of their equipment, roadworks tools and vehicles.. you name it.

Back where I came from things like JCB diggers had the cab enclosed in steel plates to deter theft, they looked like armoured vehicles. So they just got vandalised instead.

My car.. I never lock it (locally) .. Partly because I think it'll be fine, partly because if they want steal something inside they can do it without breaking a window.
I think society is the larger part of it, the UK and Ireland are terrible for breaking crap just for the hell of it. Diggers and tractors are robbed in order to pull/break ATMs out of walls, or just wrecked by idiots for lack of anything better to do, anything not bolted down taken to sell or to scrap.
I continue to be amazed in the way that work sites here just down tools and head off for the evening. Generators with tow hitches just left out, oxy acetylene welding gear lent against a wall. In Ireland the tow hitch would be taken off at minimum, often the wheels as well in case someone wants to drive off with it.
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Old 09.09.2020, 08:56
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I think society is the larger part of it, the UK and Ireland are terrible for breaking crap just for the hell of it. Diggers and tractors are robbed in order to pull/break ATMs out of walls, or just wrecked by idiots for lack of anything better to do, anything not bolted down taken to sell or to scrap.
I continue to be amazed in the way that work sites here just down tools and head off for the evening. Generators with tow hitches just left out, oxy acetylene welding gear lent against a wall. In Ireland the tow hitch would be taken off at minimum, often the wheels as well in case someone wants to drive off with it.
Exactly .. I used to work on building sites in Scotland.. We had to lock up everything just to go for a tea break..

One time working in Greenock, in some block of flats to install a door entry system.. Stuff would get stolen while we up on ladders.. They even stole a block of lard we used as lubricant for putting threads on pipes..
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Re: Stolen vehicles

When I was having the bathroom redone in London, the materials were being stolen from outside the flat during the process of being unloaded from the van (they were leaning against the front wall). Since the van was just around the corner, the miscreants were quickly caught.
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