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Re: I have passed my motorcycle exam (my experience)

Hi! Just bumped into this post (new to the forum). I just recently passed my exam for A restricted (on 2nd attempt ) in Zurich. Do I understand correctly that after two years I can get A unrestricted which means I can drive any motorbike? Do I need to send out my license and request the addition? I also understand that in these two years I need to behave "well" - does that mean no fine at all or...? Thanks in advance to who can advise
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Do I need to send out my license and request the addition? I also understand that in these two years I need to behave "well" - does that mean no fine at all or...? Thanks in advance to who can advise
You have to send in your license and the (35 kW) part will be removed. You can have simple fines according the price list (OBV) but not fines which will go to a prosecutor and which will get you a warning or driving ban.
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You have to send in your license and the (35 kW) part will be removed. You can have simple fines according the price list (OBV) but not fines which will go to a prosecutor and which will get you a warning or driving ban.
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Re: I have passed my motorcycle exam (my experience)

Update to my original post with some extra info:

(I got the bill for the exam and driver's license update)

For those wondering what to expect in terms of CHF, the expenses I had for getting my A- license were around... ~1100 CHF I'd say, excluding the motorbike + equipment.

- student license (~50 chf)
- grundkurs (600 chf)
- extra private classes (2-300 chf)
- exam (90 chf)
- updating my driver's license with the new category (50 chf)

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Hi!

Following the useful post by donpiedro about their moto exam and muffin about their car driving exam, I figured it might be helpful to share my experience with my motorcycle exam A limited.
It's gonna be a long post, but I'll split it in a few parts so you get a better feeling of the process.
I was searching for this kind of info before my exam because I was stressing out not knowing the exact steps. I hope this is considered useful.

Part 1: CONTEXT (or how well prepared was I?)

I had the student license for ~6 months, during which I'd go for occasional rides in my area. This period included the coronavirus confinement so there were weeks/months when I didn't touch the motorbike.

Since I already had my B category license, I only needed the grundkurs to be able to pass the exam for A category.
I took 12h with an instructor, split into 3 courses. As I was approaching the exam I took 3 more private courses of 50 min each (split across a few weeks) to improve my driving with a passenger, work on my weaknesses and test for the exam.

On top of that, about 2 months before the exam I started doing trips more regularly in my city and around the Strassenvehrkersamt in Steinhausen (Zug canton). I'd go out at least every other day, during high traffic, so I'd get used with uncomfortable situations (for beginners).

A few days before the exam I had the 3rd private course with the teacher. I generally did poorly during trips with the teacher because of stress and his general attitude focusing only on things to improve (never saying what I did well). He did not feel very confident that I'd pass (correctly so - I was not driving very well with him). I was not feeling very confident I'd pass either (because I focused on my errors, would stress out a bit more than needed and would be influenced a lot by my teacher's reactions).
In contrast, the other students who were seeing me practice at the field thought I'd pass the exam without a problem.

A few weeks before the exam, I'd go to the Strassenvehrkersamt to practice the 8, slalom and slow driving at least 30 min/day.

For the entire weekend preceding the exam I exercised for hours and hours the 8, slalom, slow driving, emergency stop and hill start (with a passenger) + normal traffic. I did not get to explore all the areas around the driving center as my teacher rightly advised me to do.


Part 2: The exam from my point of view

I arrived at the exam center 30 min before the exam. I warmed up with the 8, slalom and slow driving, then waited for the examiner to arrive outside 5 min before the start.
Stupid note: I was scared of the .... size of the examiner (had seen some very sturdy gentlemen there) since my bike is very small and I felt less confident with a passenger (to the point of feeling unbalanced and putting my right foot on the ground).

I kindly asked if we could speak English - but he said only High German. I understand some German, but very limited. Throughout the exam he mentioned the direction (e.g. richtig Zurich) or he'd say left, right or straight in German. It was easy to understand.

He was very nice and explained (even with signs) what I had to do. He always checked I understood what he said. He gave me a device with an earphone tied to an elastic so I could strap it around me (no need to put a walkie talkie in the pocket)

We checked the technical parts of the bike -> lights, honk, breaks.
He jumped on and I drove the few meters to the exercises field.

He asked I do the slalom 1 time and the 8 for 2 or 3 times. I did so, but I put my foot on the ground for one of the 8. He then asked me to do the slow driving (probably to compensate for my mistake). He did not time me to the point as I had seen everyone do during the preparation phase. (I'd usually do the 15m in about 20s but my teacher was asking to do it even slower).

He told me to stop after the exercises and explained what came next -> driving around the building for the hill start and emergency stop.
We stopped before the track behind the building so he'd explain every step in detail.
We then did the hill start on a steep ramp. Drove around and dropped him off where he'd watch me during the emergency stop. He explained what he expected to see, asked if the bike had ABS and made a remark about the pavement being new (so to be careful when stopping)
I turned around in his direction, reached around 50kmh (no exact GPS to track), he did the sign and I stopped.


He asked me if it felt ok and then explained we'd go in the traffic. We left the exam center, drove on a few roads with 60/80 kmh speed limits (quite isolated with limited traffic), went on the highway, then to Baar (and its 50/30 kmh streets near the train station) and back.
All in all the exam was ~45-50 min of which ~30-35 minutes in traffic. All indications he gave were clear, as he spoke slowly and sometimes even point to the directions I had to follow.

I think I did well overall, better than in all my courses with the teacher.

My strong points were:
- slow driving + slalom
- good positioning on the road
- attention to what's going on in traffic (to the point of predicting when a pedestrian wanted to pass, even if he was looking down without checking for any cars coming before getting on the street)
- generally careful with the signs showing the transition from 50kmh to 60 / 80kmh (with exceptions)
- roundabouts - arriving slowly, scanning the situation

My not-so-good points

- foot on the ground on one of the 8
- noisy/shaky start on the hill start
- sometimes shaky changes of gears (the helmets would sometimes bump into each other)
- one wrong evaluation of the speed limit (riding at 50kmh in a 80kmh)
- put the bike on Neutral twice

Part 3: The exam from the examiner's point of view (that I could notice)

Arriving in front of the Strassenvehrkersamt, he asked for my student driver's license and vehicle card. He then started explaining the steps of the exam.

Top priority: Explaining what I had to do calmly and slowly + confirming that I understood.

Every exercise was clearly explained.
Before every ride he'd ask if I had questions and then if I was ready for him to get on the bike. I'd answer in English and he'd confirm and sometimes say in English (2-3 words) what he meant.

After every exercise he asked me how it felt.

During the riding he'd limit the interaction to indications for directions, clearly stated twice in German.

Once he had to point out that I was not driving at the correct speed.

After the exam was over he first said I had passed, followed by feedback on what to improve and what went well (unfortunately I didn't understand all the details, but only the gist). When I didn't understand completely, he made even a drawing.

He asked for my driver's licenses. The student license was returned to me with the approval stamp that I had passed the exam. The permanent driver's license was sent via post with the updated A category on it.

Conclusion

All in all it was a great experience for which I had worried more than necessary.
The people at the driving authority were efficient, kind and understanding.

The exam was an overall evaluation of my skills, with errors allowed. It was not the type of black/white situation where not making everything perfect would mean failure, as I was expecting.
The examiner took into account not just my preparation but also the motorbike's performance (e.g. on the highway I did not reach 130kmh because my bike is not made for those kinds of speeds. I just showed that I knew when the limitation changed and did not block the traffic).

He also did not track exactly my time or speed as I thought (for some exercises requiring so).
As a friend correctly pointed out - don't forget that they are also human, not robots.

Hope this helps at least one person on this forum and gives you some courage that it will all work out fine as long as you prepare beforehand.

Good luck!
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- extra private classes (2-300 chf)

like 2-3 hours/lessons 100.- each?

what for? at what stage of the preparation did you take those?
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After the grundkurs and before the exam.
Those are of course optional but usually the instructors recommend taking some private classes to see what needs more preparation.

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what for? at what stage of the preparation did you take those?
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what for? at what stage of the preparation did you take those?
You definitely should take this in the cantons which require the road part of the exam to be taken with the examiner as the pillion (which are aplenty, I believe).
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