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right on red?

So I thought right-on-red was not a thing here. But I got beeped at at this intersection waiting to make the right turn indicated. I looked in my mirror and the person put their hand up / waved so I'm pretty sure it was for me.

It's possible I forgot to use my blinker and so he was just giving me a friendly reminder?

Unfortunately google street view doesn't exist at this location for some odd reason, so I can't take another look at the signage. But I noticed there is a upside-down triangle (white with red) sign on top of the traffic light. But there's no text.

Does right on red exist anywhere? What else could explain the beep I received?
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Old 09.09.2020, 19:50
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Re: right on red?

No right on red, as far as I know. Actually there's a new law that kicks in in January 2021, allowing bikes and Töffli (small scooters) to turn right on a red light when properly indicated: https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/dive...echts-abbiegen
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No right on red, as far as I know. Actually there's a new law that kicks in in January 2021, allowing bikes and Töffli (small scooters)
No right on red. Red means red. Except for the mentioned law change AS 2020 2145.

Two remarks about the upcoming change:

1) Right on red for bikes and Töffli is only allowed when the follwing sign is present:
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2) A "Töffli" has usually pedals, but it is any two wheeled vehicle with max 50 ccm AND max. 1 kW of power AND max. 30 km/h (pedal assistance up to 45 km/h allowed in case of electric motor). Art. 18 VTS


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Re: right on red?

You can only turn right in Europe (or left in the UK & Eire, Malta etc) when you have either a green light or a green filter arrow...
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Re: right on red?

There is no "right on red" on that intersection (I live nearby). Maybe the person behind you was waving at someone they know, were looking at the wrong traffic light (or you were) or something else.
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You can only turn right in Europe (or left in the UK & Eire, Malta etc) when you have either a green light or a green filter arrow...
You mean the (East) German "Grüner Pfeil"? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnpfeil

Be aware that you must come to a real full stop in case you want turn right on red at a German "Grüner Pfeil" intersection. Even more than at a stop sign. Fine for not stopping at "Grüner Pfeil" is € 70 plus 1 Bonus Point in Flensburg, not stopping at a stop sign is just €10.
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You mean the (East) German "Grüner Pfeil"? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnpfeil

Be aware that you must come to a real full stop in case you want turn right on red at a German "Grüner Pfeil" intersection. Even more than at a stop sign. Fine for not stopping at "Grüner Pfeil" is € 70 plus 1 Bonus Point in Flensburg, not stopping at a stop sign is just €10.
No I mean the green filter often but not exclusively as an additional green light, right or left throughout Europe...
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Re: right on red?

Must have been a furriner.

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Re: right on red?

Isn't red left?

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No I mean the green filter often but not exclusively as an additional green light, right or left throughout Europe...
In my humble opinion this is just a simple green light which only applies to one lane. Nothing special or extraordinary.
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In my humble opinion this is just a simple green light which only applies to one lane. Nothing special or extraordinary.
Indeed. But without a green light or arrow one cannot turn right on a red light - as one can in many US states...
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Re: right on red?

There's been such a yellow right-on-red sign for bicycles at the end of my street in Basel for at least a year.
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There's been such a yellow right-on-red sign for bicycles at the end of my street in Basel for at least a year.
Basel was the guinea pig for the new regulation.
https://tageswoche.ch/politik/mit-de...e-ecke-biegen/
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Re: right on red?

Were you maybe somehow in the way?
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Basel was the guinea pig for the new regulation.
https://tageswoche.ch/politik/mit-de...e-ecke-biegen/

Kinda wonder why they're needed when cyclists go through the red lights anyway, right, left or straight on
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Indeed. But without a green light or arrow one cannot turn right on a red light - as one can in many US states...
You can even turn left on a red in most U.S. states - if you're in the left lane of a one-way street and turning left onto another one-way street where traffic is moving from your right to your left.
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Canada too, except Montreal (the Island).
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Re: right on red?

Could it be that the beeper wanted to turn right before the crossings, i.e. into the "road" to the right of the Literaturhaus leading to Traumhase? And that you were blocking that access because you had stopped a bit early?
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Could it be that the beeper wanted to turn right before the crossings, i.e. into the "road" to the right of the Literaturhaus leading to Traumhase? And that you were blocking that access because you had stopped a bit early?
Wow I had not even noticed that little entrance. Quite possible.
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