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I can :-)



I looked this up and it seems the limit is now €1000 (for a French tax-resident in a professional transaction). No limit on non-professional transactions and 15k for non-tax-residents.


I don't like getting cash. It just means I have to go to the bank and you never know, maybe the cash is counterfeit.
The best way to check if notes are genuine is see if the ink rubs off on white paper, It's a test the teller at UBS did when I wanted to change 1k notes. The ink should rub off!
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I can :-)



I looked this up and it seems the limit is now €1000 (for a French tax-resident in a professional transaction). No limit on non-professional transactions and 15k for non-tax-residents.


I don't like getting cash. It just means I have to go to the bank and you never know, maybe the cash is counterfeit.
You can buy a pen at Office World that is used to check the bills
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The best way to check if notes are genuine is see if the ink rubs off on white paper, It's a test the teller at UBS did when I wanted to change 1k notes. The ink should rub off!
Uhm, the crooks use much more sophisticated technologies than some decades ago. I'm not saying that is not a good method, but I doubt it's 100% reliable.

@OP,

I wouldn't accept cash for what I suppose it is a rather significant amount. If it was a few hundreds and could have afford to lose, then yeah, sure, cash is OK.
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Uhm, the crooks use much more sophisticated technologies than some decades ago. I'm not saying that is not a good method, but I doubt it's 100% reliable.

@OP,

I wouldn't accept cash for what I suppose it is a rather significant amount. If it was a few hundreds and could have afford to lose, then yeah, sure, cash is OK.
IMHO

I have lost more money on frauds that involved bank transfers than cash.
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Re: Sell car to a buyer from France

Guys, I have a similar interest on Autoscout24.
He has sent me his passport copy as his identity and is asking me my bank details for the money transfer.

He will come mid-Dec to collect it.
It smells so scamish, but I cant pinpoint to him why? I was so surprised to hear that such large bank amounts can be reversed !
Btw, he wants to buy the car at 20k

What could be an alternative for me. I read through the thread. Should I ask him to come to CH and withdraw cash and pay me.

Any insights, much appreciated.
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Guys, I have a similar interest on Autoscout24.
He has sent me his passport copy as his identity and is asking me my bank details for the money transfer.

He will come mid-Dec to collect it.
It smells so scamish, but I cant pinpoint to him why? I was so surprised to hear that such large bank amounts can be reversed !
Btw, he wants to buy the car at 20k

What could be an alternative for me. I read through the thread. Should I ask him to come to CH and withdraw cash and pay me.

Any insights, much appreciated.
Once it has hit your account, I would be surprised if it could be reversed. Check with you bank that the funds have cleared & are available.
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Cash rules in France are tighter than CH.
You cannot* pay more than 3,000 EUR in cash for any transaction. Same applies to withdrawing it from a normal bank.

To the French buyer, bringing that much cash would seem like an impossibility.

Not at all. You need to show some paperwork and get a few stamps, but entirely possible though with a bit of hassle.


But I agree, i think it's a scam as well.
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Guys, I have a similar interest on Autoscout24.
He has sent me his passport copy as his identity and is asking me my bank details for the money transfer.

He will come mid-Dec to collect it.
It smells so scamish, but I cant pinpoint to him why? I was so surprised to hear that such large bank amounts can be reversed !
Btw, he wants to buy the car at 20k
It cant be easily reversed but you will still lose the car and money. The scam goes like this:

You will receive the payment but it will be more than just for the car. You will be instructed to give the reminder the company which will pickup the car. It is the payment for transport, customs and what's not.

The payment will be made by an other unsuspecting 3rd party. Either working as a "work from home" "account" for a company which does not really exists, foolishly using his own account or, as a not possibility, by someone seemingly buying an other good maybe even your car, advertised somewhere else.

Those third party can claim the money back in a court of law as you got it unjust. It is a lengthy legal process which you likely will lose.

The scammer can add another act to the whole spiel. The flat back truck collecting the car arrives a bit earlier. Once it is gone, the "buyer" shows up wishing to collect the car. The car you just send off on a flat bed truck w/o cross checking identify of the collector.

An other twist is that they, yes they, will draw up the contract and sand it to you. In the contract some minor but important details are wrong. Like model year, year of production, or year of first matriculation mixed up or changed. Or something mentioned as accessory which is not part of your models trim. Sometime those people also carefully read your ad-vert and spot such mistakes you actually made. Once they come to collect the car they will point out any and all mistakes and will hagle the price down and claim damages.

In conclusion:
-Be sure with whom you are dealing with. Scans of passport and ID are stolen and widely reused (They are acquired using the classic Nigerian prince scheme).
- Do not accept payments from unknown sources.
- Do not accept any payments for more than the agreed sale price.
- Agree on a reference note that must be used for the payment.
- Make it so that a 3rd party is aware what they pay for.
- Do not accept payments with a reference note which does not fit.
- Do not give the car anyone but the actual seller, cross check ID and take photos on collection time.
- You and only you should draw up the contract.
- Exclude any warranty.
- Be certain about your model's spec. Do not mix up model year and date of first imatriculation.
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