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Old 13.12.2020, 14:30
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

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Slow drivers cause other drivers to become impatient which ultimately causes accidents. I have no patience for slow drivers who have no need to reduce their speed.
In my experience, it's much easier to follow someone's tail lights on a winding dark road at night, perhaps with stone walls or high hedges on either side of the road (so perhaps not a Swiss thing so much) than it is to be in front.

It's amazing the number of impatient b******s who drive aggressively right up your tail in these conditions, flashing their lights and so on who, upon being allowed to overtake you when you find a place to pull over, end up driving much slower than you were once they have passed you and they discover they have lost the benefit of you leading the way for them.
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Old 13.12.2020, 14:47
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In my experience, it's much easier to follow someone's tail lights on a winding dark road at night, perhaps with stone walls or high hedges on either side of the road (so perhaps not a Swiss thing so much) than it is to be in front.

It's amazing the number of impatient b******s who drive aggressively right up your tail in these conditions, flashing their lights and so on who, upon being allowed to overtake you when you find a place to pull over, end up driving much slower than you were once they have passed you and they discover they have lost the benefit of you leading the way for them.
Yeah - I had a guy do this in the snow (at night) last weekend over Ricken pass; I was doing a steady 60-70 and he was right up my arse and even flashed his lights on one bit where I slowed down because it was hard to judge the edge of the road. So I pulled over - and he did a very unsteady <60 from then on with brake lights flashing at every flurry of snow. Moron.
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Old 13.12.2020, 22:55
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

50 is a general limit and you can drive slower if the road requires it.

Most bikers cannot even reach 50 km/h on flat roads or uphill, so there surely is no minimum limit. This is why they are banned from the freeways, they have a minimum limit that is way above 45 km/h.

But you should not drive massively slower than the average traffic, and especially not slow down the buses that you can see on that road. That would be very antisocial and at some point it stops being prudence and starts being impeding traffic or a public service through insufficient ability to drive.
It's decent behaviour to let go of the gas for a bit if you see there are bikes and kids around or whatever.
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A friend of mine was driving trough tunnel of San Bernardino going 60km/h (it's 80km/h) if i remember the story right. She was stopped few kms later by the police, asking her why she was driving so slow. She didn't get any fine, but they were not happy.
I guess someone called the police and they checked if she was drunk or something. She was with small kids in the car.
I hope your friend then promptly surrendered her driving licence for good....
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

We got followed by a car for 10 minutes to our home, and they called the police who visited us at our house, and took an alcohol test for both me and my wife. Because we were driving slowly late at night. Police mentioned the flow concept, but there is no flow with only two cars in my opinion. We noticed we were followed, and the guys got out of their car to see where we live, and made us really unsecure at that time ( not knowing that they did this because they thought the driver was drunk, and planning to call the police). I was planning to make a complaint or something like this for this stalking thing, but after reading all these experiences I dont think I will bother

Apparently this speed limit is elastic, when the road is empty late at night, people expect you to drive faster than usual, even over the speed limit, otherwise they will suspect you for drunk driving. During the day, this never happened to us. Anyway, I think the police are more worried about the "flow" and have nothing against tailgating or stalking, so probably complaining about this behavior will lead nowhere.

I believe the consequences of these habits of the people and police can also be negative, since probably the people who drink and drive know this, and they will drive faster just to avoid this, faster than they can handle maybe. Anyway... just an opinion
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We got followed by a car for 10 minutes to our home, and they called the police who visited us at our house, and took an alcohol test for both me and my wife. Because we were driving slowly late at night. Police mentioned the flow concept, but there is no flow with only two cars in my opinion. We noticed we were followed, and the guys got out of their car to see where we live, and made us really unsecure at that time ( not knowing that they did this because they thought the driver was drunk, and planning to call the police). I was planning to make a complaint or something like this for this stalking thing, but after reading all these experiences I dont think I will bother

Apparently this speed limit is elastic, when the road is empty late at night, people expect you to drive faster than usual, even over the speed limit, otherwise they will suspect you for drunk driving. During the day, this never happened to us. Anyway, I think the police are more worried about the "flow" and have nothing against tailgating or stalking, so probably complaining about this behavior will lead nowhere.

I believe the consequences of these habits of the people and police can also be negative, since probably the people who drink and drive know this, and they will drive faster just to avoid this, faster than they can handle maybe. Anyway... just an opinion
What a weird episode. I would complain. Please, do so. What if one of you had been drinking that evening and was accused of driving under influence even if they didn't drive? And following you till home when it was simple to just write down your number or take a photo of your plates?
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

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Obviously for the wrong reasons.
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Old 31.01.2021, 11:53
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What if one of you had been drinking that evening and was accused of driving under influence even if they didn't drive?
If only one was over the limit, no problem, just claim that the sober person drove.

But if both were over, both would lose their licenses, regardless of who was driving.

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Old 31.01.2021, 12:37
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We got followed by a car for 10 minutes to our home, and they called the police who visited us at our house, and took an alcohol test for both me and my wife. Because we were driving slowly late at night.
How slow and why?

Sounds like you were a danger and likely to cause others to overtake you, perhaps dangerously...
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Old 31.01.2021, 13:06
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

I find the story creepy too. And it's actually not typical Swiss behaviour (probably a bunch of GB expats, LOL).
I'm kind of surprised the police bothered to follow it up but let's face it, they must be bored to tears at night these days.

That said, maybe some bits were left out and if OP drove wavy lines it does make people nervous
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

On average probably more than 10km an hour less, so I can understand their impatience. I dont understand the following part.
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On average probably more than 10km an hour less, so I can understand their impatience. I dont understand the following part.
Perhaps they were off duty cops who called it in to their coworkers after they had an address.

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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

Yes, its more complicated, and I didnt want to bother you with details. My wife finds it difficult to park, and I drank two beers, and when we arrived home we switched seats so that I park in the narrow parking space. The guys following us probably found this very suspect. They just stopped behind us and observed. Then I got outside the underground parking to take a look at them if they are still there, which probably they found very suspect again. And they were so sure that they called the police. When almost entering our apartment I took a look oitside the window and one of the guys was comming towards the building and when he saw me checking back he acted like he is going to some other place ( which was a road leading towarda the forest) . Anyway... almost funny I guess. They had been watching too much of Hercule Poirot...

The police had already the story in their head that whoever drove was too drunk to park, so he had to switch with the passenger. I asked them why wouldt we have done this from the beggining... Anyway, the alcohol test showed 0 for my wife and very low for me, so everything was ok, and the policemen left.

We were both in pijamas when police rang at our door, making things even funnier. A night to remember
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On average probably more than 10km an hour less, so I can understand their impatience. I dont understand the following part.
That's well under, no wonder it caught attention. Were the road conditions or visibility poor?
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That's well under, no wonder it caught attention. Were the road conditions or visibility poor?
I might be wrong but I suspect a very prudent (female) driver. And a beginner or one that doesn't drive habitually, which is a terrible combo.
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

This is true. Very prudent female driver is a good description. In any way, we are both aware about this, but giving up driving shouldnt be the solution. Or to have people following us, or police visits.
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

Two beers all night - you’d probably be way under the limit. Would have been safer you drive.....
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This is true. Very prudent female driver is a good description. In any way, we are both aware about this, but giving up driving shouldnt be the solution. Or to have people following us, or police visits.
I disagree. Very slow driving can be a sign of being under the influence of drugs or a lack of driving skills caused by age or illness (or in the above case, lack of practice.)
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Re: Driving too slow in a 50 km/h zone

Actually a potentially helpful comment - maybe she should take Swiss lessons and take her test here. It might help her confidence / skills. The process is pretty thorough here compared to most countries.
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