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What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zurich

Suppose I get on a train/tram/whatever at time = 0, my ticket is valid until time = 1 and my journey ends at time = 2. Should I be fined or is this okay?
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Old 29.11.2020, 14:24
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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

What a stupid question.

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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

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Suppose I get on a train/tram/whatever at time = 0, my ticket is valid until time = 1 and my journey ends at time = 2. Should I be fined or is this okay?
Why would that be ok?? You do not have a valid ticket from "1 to 2".

What is the fine nowadays? CHF 80?
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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

It is the same as no ticket.

Why is this even a question?

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It is the same as no ticket.

Why is this even a question?

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Hm, because the OP is new to Switzerland and doesn't understand how it works yet. Is that so hard to understand? For some long time EF members it obviously is. If you can't be bothered to help, then don't bother to post at all.

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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

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It is the same as no ticket.

Why is this even a question?

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It is possible if there is a delay and OP cannot reach at Time=1 but reached at destination at Time=2. It could happen on a rush hour and on a bus in a big city ;o)
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Suppose I get on a train/tram/whatever at time = 0, my ticket is valid until time = 1 and my journey ends at time = 2. Should I be fined or is this okay?

I don't find this a stupid question. My local bus service which I use with a collective ticket of 6 rides limits my time on the bus to 30 minutes. In theory if the traffic lights break down I could exceed this limit and still not be at my journey's end. That is what I think is being asked.
I also have an SBB collective ticket for 6 return rides to Zurich main station. Say each time it covers Fr. 7. But at the end of the year the prices go up and I still use my ticket which is still valid for three rides. I've never asked but maybe...
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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

Is there any country in the world where an expired ticket is any different from no ticket? I thought not.

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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

I think the only exception would be if the scheduled arrival time was within the period of validity but some irregularity caused it to be delayed. But that is all I can think of.
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Is there any country in the world where an expired ticket is any different from no ticket? I thought not.

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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

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What a stupid question.
Not a stupid question.

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Why would that be ok?? You do not have a valid ticket from "1 to 2".
Because, as we know the rule is that there is always an exception.

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It is the same as no ticket.
No it isn't

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Hm, because the OP is new to Switzerland and doesn't understand how it works yet.
Looks like even people which have been a long time in Switzerland to not know the rules. Maybe it is because they to not live in Zurich ?

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Is there any country in the world where an expired ticket is any different from no ticket? I thought not.
Yep, Switzerland.

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Suppose I get on a train/tram/whatever at time = 0, my ticket is valid until time = 1 and my journey ends at time = 2. Should I be fined or is this okay?
If it is the very most direct way from A to B, without any detour, pauses, nor traveling backwards than it is o.k. Even if there are no delays.

And as usual a link to the actual source:

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3.8.8 Verbundfahrausweise gelten bis zum letzten fahrplanmässigen Halt, der vor Ablauf der Gültigkeitsdauer erreicht werden kann. Ist die Fahrt mit einem bis zu zwei Stunden gültigen Verbundfahrausweis auf direktem und ununterbrochenem Weg gemäss Fahrplan nicht innerhalb der Gültigkeitsdauer möglich, kann die Fahrt bis zum Reiseziel fortgesetzt werden. Dies gilt auch für Anschlussbillette, die zu einem Verbundfahrausweis gelöst wurden. Umwegsfahrten, Rückwärtsfahrten und nicht fahrplanbedingte Fahrtunterbrechungen sind in diesem Fall ausgeschlossen.
Diese Bestimmung ist auch anwendbar für einen Verbundfahrausweis, welcher für eine direkte Fahrt ausserhalb des Verbundgebietes entwertet wurde und entsprechend früher abläuft. Als Nachweis sind bei einer Kontrolle alle zur Fahrt verwendeten Fahrausweise vorzuweisen.
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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

I welcome any newcomer asking how the system works, and how to Do It Right. Good question.
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Hm, because the OP is new to Switzerland and doesn't understand how it works yet. Is that so hard to understand? For some long time EF members it obviously is. If you can't be bothered to help, then don't bother to post at all.
This, exactly.

I think it is highly likely that the systems are not the same, all over the world.

At least somewhere in the world, though I can't recall in which city I was, the ticket for the municipal transport had to be stamped upon embarking, right at the commencement of the journey, and was then valid for however long it took to traverse the city, including delays, on a more or less direct route.

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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

To cover the cases where you travel to and from remote parts of zones and the standard zones ticket has a duration that is too short for that.

But only if it is "not possible" at the time you need, you can't just pick the scenic route, i.e. if you chose depart time A and arrive time B, any route which has depart time >= A and arrive time <= B would be considered better and could invalidate this exception.
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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

Thanks for your answers.



In my country the system is very different (and I would say easier for the user). There are no monthly/daily/time_based subscriptions. Each time you get into a public transportation you pay for whatever trip you want to do from point A to point B. The ticket is valid for that trip in that vehicle, independently of the time duration or even the route it takes. You don't have to worry about covering all zones or the time duration. So basically the difference between a valid ticket and an expired ticket is very clear, there are (almost) no grays.



I asked this question because some single tickets in Zürich have a very short time duration. I had to go and return from Zürich to Baden and I wanted to use a single 1 hour ticket for that. Finally I could not make it in time so I bought a second one from Baden to Zürich.
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What a stupid question.
And what a pointless, aggressive and unhelpful reply. You surpass yourself.
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I asked this question because some single tickets in Zürich have a very short time duration. I had to go and return from Zürich to Baden and I wanted to use a single 1 hour ticket for that. Finally I could not make it in time so I bought a second one from Baden to Zürich.
So you're complaining that a single ticket doesn't have a long enough duration to allow you to do a return journey??
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So you're complaining that a single ticket doesn't have a long enough duration to allow you to do a return journey??
Don't think he was complaining, just seeking clarity. Zoned/timed tickets are inherently unclear, allowing the user to look at the time and use them for as many trips within the time/zone as possible. It's not like they think they're doing anything wrong, as nowhere is it stated that the ticket is only valid for a single journey.
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Re: What happens if my public transportation ticket expires while I am traveling? Zur

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I asked this question because some single tickets in Zürich have a very short time duration. I had to go and return from Zürich to Baden and I wanted to use a single 1 hour ticket for that. Finally I could not make it in time so I bought a second one from Baden to Zürich.

Good one. Here in Switzerland unless you guy a ticket valid for an entire day or longer, you buy a single ticket. That ticket is valid for a single (i.e. one) journey in one direction within the zone of validity within the time-frame given. The time-frame of one hour or whatever is NOT unlimited travel within that time.

e.g. if you're at 'A' in one zone and the zone covers 'A' to 'D' you can use that ticket to travel away from 'A' to go to any station within that zone within the time limit but you can't use it to go back again. E.g. you can use it to go A to B, but not B to A. I'm not sure if it's allowed if you wanted to use it to go A to B, B to C and C to D in seperate trips. I think it might be and that would be an explanation why trams that run in a loop change their number at some point during the loop.
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Don't think he was complaining, just seeking clarity. Zoned/timed tickets are inherently unclear, allowing the user to look at the time and use them for as many trips within the time/zone as possible. It's not like they think they're doing anything wrong, as nowhere is it stated that the ticket is only valid for a single journey.
I guess - but OP is complaining about it being unclear, which is primarily because they are choosing an edge case and not what is recommended by the ticketing system.

Actually I don't really get the 1-hour thing anyway - if I select Zurich-Baden on sbb.ch it offers me a five zone 2-hour ticket
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I asked this question because some single tickets in Zürich have a very short time duration. I had to go and return from Zürich to Baden and I wanted to use a single 1 hour ticket for that. Finally I could not make it in time so I bought a second one from Baden to Zürich.
As you are traveling back the ticket is only valid till the last stop according the timetable which is still within the valid period.

But be super careful with travelling back on a "single" journey ticket and be aware about the terms and conditions. I do not know for sure if this is legally possible with a Baden-Zürich ticket which is a A-Welle–ZVV ticket (I think it is).
I know it is for sure allowed within the canton Zurich ZVV network. And I also know that for example it is not allowed in the Basel BVB network.
Be also aware that a ZVV "return" ticket is valid 24h, and you can do as many trips in this period as you like and can. However a A-Welle–ZVV return ticket is only valid till the last run of the day, which depends on the of week is around 1am to 4am.

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