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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

You have absolute control on changing tyres over from November to April. Getting caught out outside those months can of course happen to everyone.
So as said, agree to disagree, but for me, it is the same. Same as if you drive with bold tyres, defectuous brakes, etc.


I only changed tyres 2 days ago- so took Oh's car to drive down the other day. Or I would have taken the bus, or stayed at home. Being killed or maimed for life is not an option because of stupid tyres.
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Old 04.12.2020, 20:19
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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Got mine on today at last - 28.- at local garage. I truly wish proper winter tyres would be made compusory in Switzerland once and for all- and stop all this nonsense.
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You have absolute control on changing tyres over from November to April. Getting caught out outside those months can of course happen to everyone.
So as said, agree to disagree, but for me, it is the same. Same as if you drive with bold tyres, defectuous brakes, etc.


I only changed tyres 2 days ago- so took Oh's car to drive down the other day. Or I would have taken the bus, or stayed at home. Being killed or maimed for life is not an option because of stupid tyres.
Actually according to your own post you did it yesterday, and two days ago you were posting on the Weather! thread about how much snow you had there.

Spare us the self-righteous indignation if you're not even going to follow the rules you propose as being a criminal offence.
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Old 04.12.2020, 20:28
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

ah yes, yesterday. Went early afternoon when the roads were all perfectly clear, 200 metres from home- despite the snow the previous day. Been so busy shovelling tons of snow today - lost track of time.
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Old 04.12.2020, 20:33
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

I guess we need a lawyer, even maybe an economist to explain a few things. I'm a bad replacement but I'll try anyway.

The current system puts all the liability on the driver while minimizing police involvement to check what tires are installed on the car. Why minimize checks? Because resources are not infinite and should be directed to the solutions that offer best investment/return ratio. If police only shows up where there's a crash and check tires, that's maybe the most efficient use of resources. If the fines emitted at that time are not enough deterrent, maybe increase the fine amount to make sure people takes it more seriously. But roadside checks to see if the tires are winter ones, looks like a waste of resources.

It's also not economically efficient is to ban on summer tires after X date. Why? With the existing system there are already long queues to get tires installed at the shops. Since I don't drive that much in the mountains I scheduled my change by mid November, already a month after the first scheduled tire change. No prob, maybe someone needed the winter tires more than me. If there's a hard deadline for winter tires, we would have to start 2 months earlier to change tires to ensure everyone complies with the law.That may cause the unintended consequence of driving with summer tires on hot asphalt which is unnecessary wear leading to wasting valuable resources.

I guess the current approach is OK. Maybe, just increase the consequences for people that could not keep the vehicle in control and caused a crash because wrong tires. It doesn't have to be money, just a few more months without driving license and suddenly skepticism goes away.


PS. JackieH, what were the consequences for your friend after causing the accident? Large fines, long time driving ban, jail time, paying economic compensation? I guess sharing that part of the story will have a larger impact on today's drivers.

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ah yes, yesterday. Went early afternoon when the roads were all perfectly clear, 200 metres from home- despite the snow the previous day. Been so busy shovelling tons of snow today - lost track of time.
I suppose that's ok then, same as driving a few hundred metres while drunk is.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

I drive on Winter tires all year around to be safe or because I got tired of the stupid marry go round with the tires.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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I suppose that's ok then, same as driving a few hundred metres while drunk is.

don't be so obtuse - the roads were totally dry, and conditions could not change in 200m. Our other car had winter tyres on from beg of November- and we never use my car apart from very locally- when I am aware 100% of conditions day to day. If any doubt in November- used the other car, or bus.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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don't be so obtuse - the roads were totally dry, and conditions could not change in 200m. Our other car had winter tyres on from beg of November- and we never use my car apart from very locally- when I am aware 100% of conditions day to day. If any doubt in November- used the other car, or bus.
Ah, so you are allowed to use your judgement, but all the rest of us must have winter tyres from November to April or we're criminals.

Unless you walked the route in advance, with a thermometer, you couldn't possibly know, according to your own rules.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

No, OH drove the road, all 200 metres of it- in his 4x4 with new winter tyres- to get petrol. Conditions were totally fine- so booked my car in and we drove the 200 metres together and returned home.
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Old 05.12.2020, 09:37
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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No, OH drove the road, all 200 metres of it- in his 4x4 with new winter tyres- to get petrol. Conditions were totally fine- so booked my car in and we drove the 200 metres together and returned home.
I always thought you lived in the middle of nowhere, jet a petrol station just 200m, sounds like someone is telling fibs again.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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I truly wish proper winter tyres would be made compulsory in Switzerland once and for all- and stop all this nonsense.
That hardly makes sense in Geneva, where they are still talking about their last big snowfall in 1985!
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Old 05.12.2020, 11:52
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

Fair enough- as long as yu stay in Geneva. Mind you, I remember arriving from the UK one late afternoon, to find that EasyJet had booked my car from the French side, and I left at about 7pm to go to my parents'. Huge drifts on the MWay to Lausanne, then driving up to St Croix, soon found out they had given me a car with Summer tyres (whereas on Swiss side it is always winter tyres between November and April. Thank goodness I had learnt to drive in snow and had plenty of experience, or I would probably not be here to tell the tale.


But yes, perhaps the rule should be, as planned for France next year, that mountainous regions, and above a certain altitude (500m? perhaps) will have winter tyres compulsory.


Using your judgement is all very fine- but with mountains (and the seas- even Swiss lakes) things can change very quickly. My friend 50 years ago drove down to Neuch‚tel on a lovely sunny day, roads bone dry- but at the end of the day, when she picked me up to give me a lift, we drove home in a snow white out blizzard - and it was nearly fatal. (btw it was my 20th BD I spent in the hospital, still in traction, not my 21st. That was in a hospital in the UK a year later).
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Old 05.12.2020, 11:54
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

You are all a bunch of snowflakes - not used to the cold conditions. Oh, that doesn't work as intended. You are all a bunch of Warmduscher and Begonias - not used to the cold and winter.



PS: Drive and ride safe. Enjoy the snow, be aware about its peril.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

You are joking right - lol - I was born and bred up here, nearly 70 years ago- when we had 'proper' winters, lol. I took both driving licences, car and motorbike with tons of snow and ice on the ground- figures of 8 in a narrow street with ice and mounds on snow on both sides was fun, winter of 69


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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

Yes, but why does it have to be so loud? Don't you know loud noises cause avalanches?
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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I drive on Winter tires all year around to be safe or because I got tired of the stupid marry go round with the tires.
I know several people who do that, including us on our Panda 4x4.

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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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I always thought you lived in the middle of nowhere, jet a petrol station just 200m, sounds like someone is telling fibs again.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

Please stop quoting FMF - and force me to see this nonsense.


Yes, 2 petrol stations 200m away, one being a very good garage, and another excellent garage another 200m away.


Tom, sil and bil from UK got snow tyres for their big sport Mercedes when they drove over for Christmas a few years ago. They found the ride so much smoother and comfortable, and it really helped with his very bad back. They kept them on for that reason- and even got new winter tyres for the new Merc last year. They live in very leafy Surrey where snow is not an issue . My daughter also got some for her FPace as they come skiing once or twice a year- also from leafy Surrey- and keeps them on year round.
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Re: What are the rules about winter tyres and snow chains in Switzerland?

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I drive on Winter tires all year around to be safe or because I got tired of the stupid marry go round with the tires.
Thatís a bad idea. They donít grip at all in hot weather and get worn out extremely quickly. So not only is it dangerous itís also not economically sensible.
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Thatís a bad idea. They donít grip at all in hot weather and get worn out extremely quickly. So not only is it dangerous itís also not economically sensible.
We have multiple vehicles, the Panda is mainly used for shitty roads that require 4wD that would not work with summer tires.

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