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Buying Second-Hand Diesel Car

Seriously tempted to pull the trigger on buying a 2nd-hand diesel from 2014 (Euro 5 emissions rating). However, I'm hesitating somewhat due to recent bans on pre Euro 6 vehicles in German cities and the outright ban on sales of petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030, the recent measures taken in Geneva.

So I wanted to canvas some opinion on here. How quickly do people think things will move here in Switzerland, in terms of measures to penalize diesel drivers, and in terms of a collapse in second-hand values? Bit scared about dropping a 5 figure sum on a diesel car now. Would like to sell it on in 3-4 years, and it would be nice if it had some kind of resale value left.
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Re: Buying Second-Hand Diesel Car

You’ve seen how Switzerland is with Corona virus and the re introduction of alcohol at Autobahn services - so don’t expect a UK-style ban on the sale of Fossil-fuel vehicles.

However, the Swiss were early adopters or EVs and I would think in 5 years’ time at least 50% of new sales will be electric.

Your dilemma is being repeated around the western world today. And you have basically answered your own question.

If you are going to drive it into the ground over the next 10+ years, it’ll be worthwhile, but don’t expect much at all at trade-in time...
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Re: Buying Second-Hand Diesel Car

Personally I'd only buy a euro 6 anyway.
Euro 4 and 5 are basically filthy.
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Re: Buying Second-Hand Diesel Car

out-of-warranty 2014 diesel (complicated enough already for EURO 5)? Might easily spend 5-10k on engine repair pretty soon, will only know whenever you there.
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out-of-warranty 2014 diesel (complicated enough already for EURO 5)? Might easily spend 5-10k on engine repair pretty soon, will only know whenever you there.
You don’t know the mileage, producer, price etc but already draw such conclusions
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Re: Buying Second-Hand Diesel Car

If the engine software has been updated (which is almost certainly the case), big repairs like that of the exhaust gas recirculation system are lurking in the future.


The engine itself should be pretty solid, provided it is maintained well.
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You don’t know the mileage, producer, price etc but already draw such conclusions
Called statistics.
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out-of-warranty 2014 diesel (complicated enough already for EURO 5)? Might easily spend 5-10k on engine repair pretty soon, will only know whenever you there.
Engine repair on a Diesel with maybe 100.000 km?

I bought a 2013 Diesel (Euro5) in 2018. Haven't encountered any problems, also not in Germany (depends on where you go of course, but often the closed areas are a couple of streets within a certain city only). Very good fuel economy, service more expensive than petrol. I intend to have the car to end of lifetime and then replace with electric, now that this market comes alive.

Also have a EURO6 Diesel from 2017. Same as above with of course even less issues with NOX emissions and potential bans in certain areas.

The "filth" argument is ridiculous in my view, particularly when you are not in a major agglomeration. Diesel engines are more efficient than petrol and therefore normally emit less CO2 even when adjusting for the higher carbon content in Diesel.
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Engine repair on a Diesel with maybe 100.000 km?

I bought a 2013 Diesel (Euro5) in 2018. Haven't encountered any problems, also not in Germany (depends on where you go of course, but often the closed areas are a couple of streets within a certain city only). Very good fuel economy, service more expensive than petrol. I intend to have the car to end of lifetime and then replace with electric, now that this market comes alive.

Also have a EURO6 Diesel from 2017. Same as above with of course even less issues with NOX emissions and potential bans in certain areas.

The "filth" argument is ridiculous in my view, particularly when you are not in a major agglomeration. Diesel engines are more efficient than petrol and therefore normally emit less CO2 even when adjusting for the higher carbon content in Diesel.
Don't forget the NOx.
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Re: Buying Second-Hand Diesel Car

It will be OK-ish for a while - in Switzerland.


But expect to pay extra or outright be banned in various cities in the rest of Europe.
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