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This is really good info. It is an F30 335 AWD which will have a 3B93 code I'm guessing. The EU model would have a 3B91 code. What would cause them to not equivocate that they are both the same? Same engine, transmission etc. Emissions might be an issue but I heard the Swiss will take or equivocate US emission standards for newer models.
because they are not the same . there is no reason why they should have even the same engine, although in reality most would. BMW gave them different type approvals for a reason. There are lots of differences. particularly the engine ECU settings which would likely deliver both different emissions and different maximum speed limiter.

My TII (US), E30 M3 (EU), E60 M5 (US) and R53 mini (EU) all have a lot of differences between the US and Euro specs. The E30 even has a completely different (and far inferior) transmission in US models.
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Any tips on how to start to prove equivalence? I don't know if I'll need to but I like to be prepared.
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Any tips on how to start to prove equivalence? I don't know if I'll need to but I like to be prepared.
i'd wait and see what happens. if not they actually have a form you can take to a friendly BMW dealer to certify that the specs of your car are the same. Some dealers are assholes about this and won't do it and others will gladly do it. If you don't already have a good relationship with a main dealer (why would you?), go straight to the parts/service department if you need that doing. Better chance they'll be helpful in my experience. I've been through this with a couple of BMW dealers and Porsche.

In the case of my M5 they even took exception to the fact there was no US emissions sticker under the hood (the hood had been repainted and the sticker left off). I ordered the appropriate sticker from BMW manhattan for my chassis number and the sticker was dated later than the car was made (it was a part revision). They then took exception to that too until we told them to be sensible and they agreed.

Having been through this process at least 10 times, I can tell you than no two times go the same or are predictable. This is why I recommend to avoid the whole issue unless there is a very strong reason you want that non swiss car here.....

i can't recommend enough to have a local garage proprietor to handle the negotiations for you.
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BMW gave them different type approvals for a reason. There are lots of differences.
SAE and DOT vs. UNECE and EU-Type approval.
If you have amber position lights you might have to change them to white. (Amber position lights are only recently allowed on motorbikes. The CRF 1000 L Africa Twin was one of the first which used this relaxation).
Red rear indicators however are o.k.

In case of Diesel engines the US emission regulations are much stricter (same as for gasoline engines). Allegedly the US version of the F30 335i is limited to 210 km/h while the EU version can go up to 250 km/h and has a different engine mapping.
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the engine mapping difference is normal as US fuel is s**t.
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the engine mapping difference is normal as US fuel is s**t.
Any reliable source on that claim ? (One which hopefully understand the difference between RON and (RON + MON)/2 )
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Any reliable source on that claim ? (One which hopefully understand the difference between RON and (RON + MON)/2 )
no lab evidence.

just the fact that I used to have to buy racing fuel in barrels in the US for my race engines which I can now comfortably run on 'pump' fuel here. I've also managed to advance the timing on most of my 'pump fuel' engines here and on my dyno they make more power.

I assume it's related to the average time fuel is stored in the US vs here. The octane rating falls considerably with a few months storage.

RON / RM/2 is just a different way to measure the same thing. 98 here is about 93 there. outside big cities in the US, its hard to get anything above 91 (~97RON) whereas in switzerland 98 is everywhere (and fresh because its actually used) and in most of europe 100 or more is also available at main outlets.

worth mentioning that I favour swiss 98 to italian 100. i've had some problems with italian 100. most likely due to it having sat for too long in the tanks.

A performance production car such as a 911 or M BMW will work safely 95 here but only because it has knock sensors that retard the timing. It will make more power on 98. Older engines that have been tuned require you to compromise on the timing (and hence power) if you want to run them on 95. If I ran 95 in some of my rally engines they would probably just blow a hole in the piston.

worth pointing out that there is more energy content in 95 than 98. unless the ignition timing is optimized for 98, you are wasting your time using it. I often see little old swiss ladies putting 98 in their aygos because they assume its 'better quality'.

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In case of Diesel engines the US emission regulations are much stricter (same as for gasoline engines).
Is there a diesel in the States

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Is there a diesel in the States

Where do you think Dieselgate originated?

Or Do you mean specifically a U.S. F30 335d? No, that one does not exists.
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Another potential issue I wanted advice on. After reading the forums, I took the recommendation buying Winter tires, due to insurance liability and safety reasons. The original rims had all season tires and I bought a second set of rims+tires(BMW rims) equipped with winter tires.

The problem now is that these winter tires don't have the TPMS(or they do but the system is *slightly* different). This of course causes an error to pop up on my BMW screen saying there is a "malfunction" with the TPMS. I would like to keep the winter tires on but I can see this being a reason they would fail my vehicle during inspection. After talking to the dealership and researching this topic a bit online seems like I have a few options:
  • Swap back to all season and go to inspection with those
  • Order TPMS that will work for the winter tires
  • Keep winter tires on without TPMS and explain the situation
  • Code out the TPMS to revert to FTM(Flat Tire Monitor). Seems like this was the old way of monitoring tires before TPMS and F30s can use both. Since I need to change the coding for the lighting, radio etc. I could ask if they can also code this switch. Would have to switch settings every time I swap tires

Guess my question is, since the law requiring TPMS was enacted in November 2014, would they not pass my car if a "TPMS Malfunction" was present?

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what's 'different' about the new sensors? new sensors need registering with the car. have you done that?
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I'm not 100% sure. The dealership that installed the wheels at first thought it was a frequency issue. They ruled that out and the best they could do to explain it was that the US TPMS sensor/receiver was "speaking a different language" than the TPMS sensor on the European rims + tire.

After reading up on some BMW forums, what they are saying seems to be true.
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ah. didn't know that. but sounds plausible. most radio frequencies seam to differ from US to europe.

are the wheels the same size as the old wheels?

if it were me, i'd just have the winters swapped onto your original wheels and toss the all seasons. come spring, buy new summers and have them changed over. you might be able to get 4 used US TPMS sensors on ebay US for a good price between now an spring so could keep both sets of tyres mounted on wheels. i'm sure they are shockingly expensive from BMW....
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Great suggestion, long term I am going to buy US TPMS sensors for the winter set. I think I will just throw on the all season wheels and avoid the hassle of explaining the TPMS issue.

Would still like to know if TPMS is a requirement for the inspection if they would give anyone grief over not having it.
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Great suggestion, long term I am going to buy US TPMS sensors for the winter set. I think I will just throw on the all season wheels and avoid the hassle of explaining the TPMS issue.

Would still like to know if TPMS is a requirement for the inspection if they would give anyone grief over not having it.
don't know to be honest. i suspect they wouldn't care.
more just that you probably want TPMS working and winter tyres for driving around.

last year I was driving along in italy at, i'm afraid to say, well over the speed limit when my TPMS beeped. I could see the pressure dropping in front of my eyes as I slowed down and managed to get into an autostrada service station that was fortunately 500m away. it alerted me long before i would have noticed a low pressure and potentially saved an accident. about 1-2 minutes after it beeped i was parked and the pressure was down well under 1 bar. it was a screw in the tyre that had come out and left a huge hole.

i'm not saying everyone should run and install a TPMS system retroactively, but if you have it, you might as well use it.
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Where do you think Dieselgate originated?

Or Do you mean specifically a U.S. F30 335d? No, that one does not exists.
honestly, i thought diesel in general was not available in the US. Just like the middle-east...
Forgot about VW.
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