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Re: Yielding to oncoming left-turners? I keep getting flashed at..

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motorcycle or bicycles will pass on your inside and hit the vehicle you are letting cross your pass.
Both of which are illegal, and tbh I've never had a motorcycle do that they usually squeeze down the outside.
It is only illegal for motorcycles but not for bicycles and motorized cycles. Even if there is no cycle lane. Art. 42 Abs. 3 VRV

Be aware about that if you turn left, if you hit the cyclist it is your own fault. Look out for them.

Be aware as a cyclist that it is pretty dangerous as car drivers not always lookout for oncoming cyclist. Too many cyclist were hit and died on the scene.

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Is that more of a Swiss-French thing?

I know they do it in the U.K. but I've never seen it done on the German-side, or indeed in Germany.
It is very usual to do this in my neck of the wood. And they say Zürcher are arrogant.

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That’s exactly what we do here in Europe, a brief flash of the headlights to indicate that we are letting them pass so the drivers behind aren’t flashing you but rather the car waiting to turn.
Flashing instead of hand gestures has many advantages. For example it can be done from further away, and you only need to slow down a bit and not come to a full stop to let the other vehicle pass. Less risks of rear ends (which would be the fault of the vehicle following you).
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Re: Yielding to oncoming left-turners? I keep getting flashed at..

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No need for a test.

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I’m horrified. There must be more of them out there.
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Old 27.01.2021, 10:02
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Re: Yielding to oncoming left-turners? I keep getting flashed at..

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I’m horrified. There must be more of them out there.
According to my Swiss license, I've had car and unlimited motorcycle license since my 16th birthday (I had neither at the time, got my car at 16 1/2, and bike at 18)), and A1 since I moved here at 27.

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Old 27.01.2021, 10:05
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Are Americans allowed to convert their driving licences? I assumed they were in the same category as Russians, needing to take a test here.
Same category as the Brits which have no clue about yield to the right and driving on the other side of the road.
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Re: Yielding to oncoming left-turners? I keep getting flashed at..

British drivers were allowed to convert pre brexit. No idea about now.

There is a huge step down to the level of the average American driver. Rarely have I seen driving standards so low having driven in well over 100 countries and having lived in the US for 10 years. I even took a driving test in the US once. It was an absolutely joke compared to here or indeed any other European country.

Personally, I don’t think anyone should be allowed to convert without a base level test.
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Same category as the Brits which have no clue about yield to the right and driving on the other side of the road.
On yield to the right - I seldom see that in practice except at a few junctions in town where it's explicitly drawn in guidelines on the road. Almost everything else has give way indications.

Is it more common in the French speaking part (in line with the very common usage in France)?
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Old 27.01.2021, 11:23
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Same category as the Brits which have no clue about yield to the right and driving on the other side of the road.
Brits don't 'yield' to the left or right. They 'give way'.
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Old 27.01.2021, 11:38
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Is it more common in the French speaking part (in line with the very common usage in France)?
Yield to the right is the default in 30 zones. It is also common on the country side roads as it needs no road markings or signs and thus zero maintenance costs.

However, it is now more common to have a road marking in built up areas.
Like this one here:
https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&to...osshair=marker

In the City of Zurich there are some nice, well known, priority from the right intersections close to the StVA Albisgüetli which are not in 30-Zones:
-Ueltibergstrasse - Giesshübelstrasse
-Manesseplatz
-Seestrasse - General-Wille-Strasse (at Banhof Enge)
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Re: Yielding to oncoming left-turners? I keep getting flashed at..

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On yield to the right - I seldom see that in practice except at a few junctions in town where it's explicitly drawn in guidelines on the road. Almost everything else has give way indications.

Is it more common in the French speaking part (in line with the very common usage in France)?
almost unheard of here. its usually pretty explicitly marked. this is extremely common in Germany though and is some case seems quite unexpected.
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Re: Yielding to oncoming left-turners? I keep getting flashed at..

It does rather sound like the OP has mistaken the flash of a following car which is to let the turning vehicle know they are letting them go. I think that's a fairly universal signal across Europe - never really noticed whether it was used like that in the US, but not at all surprised if it's not.

But there's no reason to be concerned that you were doing something wrong by _not_ letting them across - it's just a matter of politeness and helping the traffic to flow, so clearly if you're in a line of traffic yourself and you can just hold back a little, flash them to say "Go" and let them across there are times when it won't inconvenience you at all to do so. Especially if you're already leaving a sufficient gap to the car in front and looking well ahead to predict what's coming up.

Common sense applies to junctions in Switzerland, even when there is no obvious right of way. I recall reading an English version of the Swiss highway code some years ago where it said that in situations where it was unclear, e.g. at a crossroads where everyone should give way to the right but cars from all directions mean that everyone is stopped, it was up to the drivers to "work things out for themselves". Sensible policies.
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According to my Swiss license, I've had car and unlimited motorcycle license since my 16th birthday (I had neither at the time, got my car at 16 1/2, and bike at 18)), and A1 since I moved here at 27.

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When I converted my UK license where I had motorcycle and car since I was 17, the Zurich street traffic office changed my started driving date one year later to comply with car driving from 18 years old...
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Omg my mind is blown. I had not come anywhere near to thinking of that.

Are the brights used in that way here / in Europe? In the US we just gesture spastically from inside the car and hope they see. At least for me anyways. And then flashing brights == "turn off your brights idiot!" and only that precise usage and none other. If someone has their lights off at night I will blink off and on my lowbeams. For a friendly "getting someone's attention" I'd use a super short beep of the horn.
Yes, it is a friendly gesture. The driver behind you may just be telling the incoming car that it's possible to make the left turn.

As pedestrian it took me a while to understand this gesture. Drivers flash their lights to tell you they have seen you, and will stop to let you cross through a zebra path. Now I do the same thing instinctively while driving.

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