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Basically, there are two proper routes:
1. Perform upgrades with components that have type approval in Switzerland from the manufacturer
2. Build your vehicle and have it homologated
Quick explanation, not very happy about it

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edit - you asked about engine swaps. also not possible. even if there was a version of the car with that engine. e.g. you can't put a 2.7 engine in 911 which originally had a 2.2.
Thats really strange, even if you don't change engine mounts?

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Have a look into ASA Directive 2a
https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/direttive/

It is the handbook used by the MFK and tells you what papers are needed and what laws and regulation apply.

Swiss laws and regulations:
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/de/cc/internal-law/74

UNECE Regulations:
https://unece.org/transport/vehicle-...gulations-0-20

EU Regulations:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/
Thank you for these usefull sites!

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how does that help when the police pull you over and impound the car and check every detail? it will happen. pretty easy to notice a blower! and you can't just 'take it out' anyway. forced induction engines are built completely differently.
Well, you can always put a small supercharger from older mercedes and it won't sit on top of a engine. About force induction, you can make a soft boost read about it, it's fun.

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How BAD do you want to do it?
Very badly! I'm willing to move to another country to do this


Thank you all for usefull tips and sites. I have a lot of reading to do and decide if I really want to stay here 😅 I like this country but my biggest hobby gets crushed here

About swaping RHD car to LHD? I guess from what you wrote here that it's also impossible.

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And here is where I get lost. Is it possible to get a letter from the manufacturer saying you can do a swap? Anyway I've seen some cars with claimed more than 20% of performance increase and the tuners mentioned DTC https://www.dtc-ag.ch/
There is a 700hp supra mk4 for sale, also there was a Silvia s14 with 2jz for sale(both legal). I saw couple of crazy builds here, because I'm searching every day for something cool That made me think about those three cars, if its possible to go crazy with them.
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About swaping RHD car to LHD? I guess from what you wrote here that it's also impossible.
you can do that sure. i have a RHD i swapped to LHD here. its easier on some cars than others of course.....
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Old 28.01.2021, 21:58
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no way? i have series C too. awesome!
Not mine, a local friend's. He also has at least two SS100s and an SS90 that I am aware of. He's aiming for five, one for each child as an inheritance!

The Vincent is his touring bike, he normally takes his daughter to Spain on it.

One of the SS100s (a '34 as I recall) he has ridden to the NordKap and back.

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its easier on some cars than others of course.....
I know about galant there are two options either swap everything to the EU shell or drill a hole for steering column (turn around steering ruck) and couple other staff in a fire wall.
How easy was it at yours car?
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I know about galant there are two options either swap everything to the EU shell or drill a hole for steering column (turn around steering ruck) and couple other staff in a fire wall.
How easy was it at yours car?
trivial. steering rack which i was changing anyway, bend the brake pedal and make new brake and clutch lines.
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Not mine, a local friend's. He also has at least two SS100s and an SS90 that I am aware of. He's aiming for five, one for each child as an inheritance!

The Vincent is his touring bike, he normally takes his daughter to Spain on it.

One of the SS100s (a '34 as I recall) he has ridden to the NordKap and back.

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its a great reliable machine. the brough's would be harder going i think. but what a machine!
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Problem with the Broughs are the brakes (or what are called brakes).

One of the SS100s is his daily driver!

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Oh, dear:

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Re: Buying a car and planning some heavy modifications.

Let me preface this with: I hate cars that are designed or modified to be more noisy than they need to be. Annoying and gives off too much small gherkin energy... And the barking exhaust noises make me want to set the vehicle and its driver on fire. I also feel that the inhabitants of small mountain villages that are being harassed by noisy drivers should be allowed to take sniper shots at them. I miss the much quieter Switzerland of my youth, all the noise is stressing me out and there seems to be almost nowhere to escape from it. No doubt, an increasing number of people feeling this way will lead to further legal measures being taken. Surely, car manufacturers should be able to figure out a way to divert the engine noise to the inside so that the person who actually enjoys it is also the one who hears it most? The rest of us are just stood there feeling pity and contempt...

With that out of the way... My flatmate has a friend who is very much into this sort of thing. Not sure he speaks English though. I can ask. After all, there is an off chance that you are not the kind of selfish, antisocial person who thinks it is acceptable to drive through/past residential areas in second gear and accelerate unnecessarily. Surely your little joke about trying to cheat the rules was just some very misplaced bravado, right? In which case you should have access to the resources to mess about within the constraints of the law.
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:38
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Meanwhile, engine leaks are sometimes allowed (at least before Brexit):




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very impressed
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Let me preface this with: I hate cars that are designed or modified to be more noisy than they need to be. Annoying and gives off too much small gherkin energy... And the barking exhaust noises make me want to set the vehicle and its driver on fire. I also feel that the inhabitants of small mountain villages that are being harassed by noisy drivers should be allowed to take sniper shots at them. I miss the much quieter Switzerland of my youth, all the noise is stressing me out and there seems to be almost nowhere to escape from it. No doubt, an increasing number of people feeling this way will lead to further legal measures being taken.
I've found the sensitivity to noise has a quirk. Poor people making noise with a 10+ years old BMW: very bad. Rich people making noise with vintage airplanes: so cool.

I go jogging to a forested hill nearby. The only noise there is hobby airplanes. Go up in in the Alps and the only noise that bothers is recreational aviation (because airliners fly higher up).

Half-joke, half-serious, be thankful that the kids modifying cars for noise are not rich enough to fly over your house.
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Re: Buying a car and planning some heavy modifications.

surely nobody could not be utterly smitten by the sound of vintage aircraft!!!!

indeed. modern cars sound awful. i find the sporty audi's the worst, but anything with a turbo and 'loud exhaust button' is just as bad.

i can't understand how its fine to homologate a car that is that loud just because you need to press a button to make it loud.

that said, i fully understand that maybe not everyone enjoys the sound of a lovely classic engine, even the ones that are music to my ears. i try to be as considerate as possible when i enjoy mine. not around other road users or dwellings. part of living in society is that not everyone likes everything. there needs to be a balance between 'considerate' and 'tough shit'.

plenty of things that annoy me and cause me displeasure are fine for other people. for example i don't complain about people who choose to drive ugly cars. or people who ride mountain bikes on the road....
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surely nobody could not be utterly smitten by the sound of vintage aircraft!!!!
My daughter always had a good laugh whenever I dropped everything and dashed on the balcony on Sunday afternoons. The Super Connie’s Basel early landing approach used to be a regular weekend feature here.
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My daughter always had a good laugh whenever I dropped everything and dashed on the balcony on Sunday afternoons. The Super Connie’s Basel early landing approach used to be a regular weekend feature here.
The "noise" (more like sweet, sweet music) is how I imagine a pride of lions purring put on an amplifier would sound...

DL21 makes a fair point: the "round" sound of a good and usually vintage engine does not elicit the same negative response (in most) as the modern souped-up screamers of cars whose sole purpose is to draw attention because the driver never quite got over not becoming a pro footballer/pop star.

This thread also reminds me that we are sorely missing the real expert on all things special automotive...
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Let me preface this with: I hate cars that are designed or modified to be more noisy than they need to be.
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With that out of the way... My flatmate has a friend who is very much into this sort of thing. Not sure he speaks English though. I can ask. After all, there is an off chance that you are not the kind of selfish, antisocial person who thinks it is acceptable to drive through/past residential areas in second gear and accelerate unnecessarily
Easy... I'm not some idiot to put on a straight pipe in to a car, would love to boost a sound a little, but nothing fancy. Making more power doesn't mean that car have to be loud as ... a specialy older car. I prefer a "sleeper build" looks nearly stock except suspension and wheels, sound of the exhaust doesn't say a lot about the amount of horse power, but under that classy looks you just know that you are not far behind new cars. And you can go for a track day to Germany.

It would be nice if you could ask your flatmate about this stuff
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you'll never get those legal in switzerland. it will fail the 10k CHF test, i can guarantee it.

the garage plates won't help you unless you can set aside at least 100k CHF for actually starting a garage, insuring it and getting it inspected. garage insurance is expensive. the low value of the cars and modifications you are discussing suggest to me this isn't going to be a route you want to or are able to take.

the best option is to register the cars in the UK where these sort of modifications are fine. start an EU company which owns the UK registered cars (brexit doesn't change any of this). drive the cars only for reasons related to the operation of the company. e.g. 'testing modified cars in mountains'. you'll need to MOT the cars in UK once a year and store them outside switzerland. also you can't leave them parked at home or drive them on a school run or to by bread and milk from the shop. expect to be stopped often and controlled by police and border guards.

the tiny, tiny loopholes that allow this to be possible are severely restrictive and quite frankly, for the cars you are describing, just not worth it.

people get away with driving foreign registered cars only if they are pillars of the community, know the police and the cars are very beautiful, very valuable and not too loud.

edit - you asked about engine swaps. also not possible. even if there was a version of the car with that engine. e.g. you can't put a 2.7 engine in 911 which originally had a 2.2. obviously they only check visually and the numbers their book tells them. so if its a very unusual car / engine they are unlikely to know if it has the same number of cylinders and the same number. changing camshafts and other internal parts would also not be noticed. I have cars with the original type of engine producing double the rated power of the car registered as historic vehicles here. clearly if you rebuild the engine and do a better job than the manufacturer and it ends up with more power, that's just fine. likewise gearboxes and gear ratio go unnoticed. exhausts and wheels usually don't!
Thanks man, I was in similar type of situation and this advice will help me a lot
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