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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

You need to figure out how stubborn the neighbour is on the following scale:

What it takes to move the car:

1. Dirty looks
2. Passive aggressive note under wiper
3. Direct confrontation
4. Calls to police
5. Tar on windscreen
6. Keying the sides of the car
7. Puncturing the tires
8. Setting car on fire at night
9. Nuke from orbit
10. Asteroid strike

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Old 09.02.2021, 16:01
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Well thinking of it, there's more than just a big plant pot you could accidentally leave in that location. Here's something my 4 yo might make in less than 15 minutes
As appealing as interfering with someone's car may seem in the current circumstances (although I would tend more towards a fateful meeting between animal excrement and the air vents than permanent damage that is very easy to prove as being intentional), it will not end well. On the one hand, the law takes a very dim view of it and on the other - they too have access to your car. You wouldn't want to find your brakes suddenly not working in a hilly place like Aigle...

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TL;DR: Tip off the fire brigade about possible access issues and let the commune know that the building owner has informally created an additional free parking space. Work out what the annual cost of each apartment subsidising the parking of the "visitor" is and let them know.
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Based on the information you provided and the picture, I have figured out what the layout is. For context to those reading: I see on the map that there is a fence dividing a paved area in front of a row of several connected buildings and a small road in front of what look to be individually owned houses directly opposite. The paved section is narrower at the access points and wider where the buildings are connected. The offending car is parked in this wider part. There is a second row of buildings with the same paved section right next to them. There is a total of what look to be nine visitor parking spots distributed at either end of the buildings, one will be a disabled parking spot, so I won't count that (park illegally on it for less than an hours, boom, CHF 120 fine, more than an hour and you get taken to court) meaning that three apartments effectively share a visitor spot.

The first and most important stakeholder is your local fire brigade. The path at the access looks to be about 3.5 to 4 metres wide, plus a grassy bit that will not do well under the wheels of a heavy vehicle. You can just about fit a fire engine or the vehicle with the turntable ladder through there but would not be able to access the equipment inside. They would need the area where the car is parked to be clear in order to do their job properly, as accessing via the little road on the other side and messing about cutting down that wire fence is the only other alternative. This safety issue may also motivate the other owners into activity.

Second, the commune. They granted building permission based on the agreed-upon number of spaces that included those outside spaces rented from them. If you just add free spaces willy-nilly, anyone could do that, why bother renting from the commune anymore?

A simple solution would be to have an automatically retractable bollard / fold-down barrier placed at either end, with the Post and those who actually paid for outdoor spaces being given a remote to open it. The emergency services can open it manually with a tool. This doesn't stop Mister Profiteur from figuring out how to open it and getting down from his car every time, but it definitely makes it less comfortable for him to access. Unfortunately, it'll set you back about three grand to secure all four access points and will also make it a bit of a faff for everyone else, if there is any reason for you to access that area by car but don't have remote. A sign from the commune making it illegal and punishable to park there (or anywhere on the grounds) without authorisation will cost around two grand. The latter would have to be agreed upon by all owners and the cost shared.

As for the parking parasite: I don't know how much you pay the commune for each individual parking spot, but it should be fairly easy to work out. Essentially, every apartment is sponsoring a 24th of this fellow's parking, as well as reducing the chances of visitors getting a spot by 1/8th. Maybe explaining to the other owners that they are not only having access to their infrastructure blocked but also paying for the privilege will get them on board... While there is no legal provision for visitor parking as such (only numerous legal cases), people who live in a building are not allowed to use the visitor parking as they are by definition not visitors. Not sure how it works with getting a sign to prohibit illegal use of those spots when they are rented from the commune though...

These situations are so common in this country and my family in the UK has the same palaver in their neighbourhood. It baffles me that people are this inconsiderate. You wouldn't just wander on to someone's patio and install yourself on their sun lounger, why would you use a parking space that is not yours to use?
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Old 09.02.2021, 16:20
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

Slashing the tires repeatedly is cheaper especially if not caught.
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Old 09.02.2021, 16:32
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

There is an active wild boar hunting thread on EF, just ask one of the hunters to lend you a wild boar head that you could place on the car.
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Old 09.02.2021, 16:33
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There is an active wild boar hunting thread on EF, just ask one of the hunters to lend you a wild boar head that you could place on the car.
Why waste the head?

Use the entrails!

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Old 09.02.2021, 16:36
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You need to figure out how stubborn the neighbour is on the following scale:

What it takes to move the car:

1. Dirty looks
2. Passive aggressive note under wiper
3. Direct confrontation
4. Calls to police
5. Tar on windscreen
6. Keying the sides of the car
7. Puncturing the tires
8. Setting car on fire at night
9. Nuke from orbit
10. Asteriod strike
Note that option 9 is not allowed after 22:00 or on Sundays because of noise restrictions.
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

You can begin to work with a security company that specializes in parking like parkon.ch (there are lots and lots of other companies that offer the same service).

If you read their website (German), they explain that they'll support you by setting up an official 'no parking zone.' After which, you can organize regular patrols or simply inform them when someone is parking in a forbidden spot. Then, they'll then fine and tow the illegally parked cars.

It is a lot of work, but it seems to be making you really angry. As far as I understand, you live in a condo. It shouldn't be much problem to discuss this issue at the next condo board meeting.
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

Removing illegally parked cars off private property is a real problem in Switzerland.
Do you have a sign at the entrance of the property "propriété privé " signed off by the juge de la paix? If so note a few days and times when the car is illegaly parked (you have to do this) and report it to the juge de la paix.
Is the guy legally registered to be living there? If not a note to the local authorities will generated some action.
As others have said, whoever runs the PPE (either a régie or yourselves) has the authority to take action, primarily on the basis of a decision taken at the AGM of the PPE, whether that takes place by videoconference or whatever. If the régie doesn't want to do anything, get rid of them. They're easy to get rid of, no or little notice required.
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Old 09.02.2021, 17:49
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

Problem is that the person or persons who park there are living there legally as tenants, so Propriété Privée is not relevant.


We arrived at our place in the UK (alas not for over 1 year) - and we parked at our parking place and this guy arrived and started shouting at us that we could not park there, as it is his place! We soon told him where to go- and not one of the visitor places either.
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Problem is that the person or persons who park there are living there legally as tenants, so Propriété Privée is not relevant.

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Is he? My understanding of the OP is that it is the son of one of the tenants who parks there when he’s visiting so he’s a visitor rather than a tenant.
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

If you're after a bit of vigilante action that is hard to notice, you could find a suitably-sized pebble to put inside the valve cap on his tyres. Tyres slowly go flat, when he finally notices he unscrews the cap to refill and the pebble bounces away - usually without being detected.
Won't stop him parking in the wrong place, but will spread the annoyance around a bit by giving him a small annoying thing which he can't work out. That might make you feel better, but might not.
The advantage is there's little chance of anyone connecting the flat tyres with you, unless you're caught "installing" them.
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If you're after a bit of vigilante action that is hard to notice, you could find a suitably-sized pebble to put inside the valve cap on his tyres. Tyres slowly go flat, when he finally notices he unscrews the cap to refill and the pebble bounces away - usually without being detected.
Won't stop him parking in the wrong place, but will spread the annoyance around a bit by giving him a small annoying thing which he can't work out. That might make you feel better, but might not.
The advantage is there's little chance of anyone connecting the flat tyres with you, unless you're caught "installing" them.
And if he has an accident as a result of a flat or semi-flat tyre that for whatever reason he doesn't notice before driving off?
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Is he? My understanding of the OP is that it is the son of one of the tenants who parks there when he’s visiting so he’s a visitor rather than a tenant.
I read it, but it is indeed not clear, if the son lives with his father or not. As he parks there constantly and overnight, I thought he lived there too.
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As appealing as interfering with someone's car may seem in the current circumstances (although I would tend more towards a fateful meeting between animal excrement and the air vents than permanent damage that is very easy to prove as being intentional), it will not end well. On the one hand, the law takes a very dim view of it and on the other - they too have access to your car. You wouldn't want to find your brakes suddenly not working in a hilly place like Aigle... .
This is such a brilliant post, and the fire brigade point is one of genius. Many thanks Kittster, appreciate you taking all the time to write that down!
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OP, if you intend to try to fight against this person parking in a non-parking space, it is worth working out what, exactly, is bothering you about his so doing. I might be wrong, but can't shake the feeling that the main thing that annoys you is that it feels unfair to you that you're paying for a parking space while this man has worked out a way to get one for free. It sounds to me as if the fact that the neighbour has fumes in her apartment (certainly unpleasant for her) is being brought in by you to support your position that it is Just Plain Unfair that that man parks there For Free.
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Thanks for your reply. As an owner I have nothing personal against this gent. But if he lives in our PPE he has to follow the rules, that's all! If we all did as he did, then where would we be? Certainly not paying for our parking spaces or renting them from the commune. Moreover, I fail to accredit him with any intelligence for 'working out' how to get free parking. It's a pretty obvious thing to do (what he's doing), but most people have the common decency not to disobey the rules - which exist for everyone's benefit - or to affect their neighbors' quality of life.
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

Thanks! I do understand, and also recognize the effort it might take to rally the troops. That said, our management contract is up for renewal soon, and if the gerance simply 'does nothing', then it'll be a bad look with the voters come re-election time. So as a first course I'm pushing them harder. Before I said it wasn't personal - well it is to the extent that we're fairly close to the affected neighbor - friendly but not best buddies - and she's at her wits end with this. So I feel a responsibility to at least try and do something.
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You need to figure out how stubborn the neighbour is on the following scale:

What it takes to move the car:

1. Dirty looks
2. Passive aggressive note under wiper
3. Direct confrontation
4. Calls to police
5. Tar on windscreen
6. Keying the sides of the car
7. Puncturing the tires
8. Setting car on fire at night
9. Nuke from orbit
10. Asteroid strike
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Yet I've been surprised to find that many people who are not directly affected by someone else's breaking the rules, simply can't be bothered to get involved to fix things.
I'm sorry doropfiz but your approach to appease this situation does not really seem correct to me. I don't find acceptable that the OP and his neighbors pay his/her hard earned cash to own some land and then have other people use it, and I would never suggest that he should be OK with it. Considering the situation of the larger family owning a an entire building within the PPE, taking advantage of the others around is even more inappropriate.

And do you really suggest that the PPE should go through the pain of fighting to obtain a parking space from the commune for this impostor? Because his family for some reason is so destitute owning an entire building that can't go through the effort by themselves? (they have 0 chance to get one in any case as usually the maximum allowable parking spaces are already planned even before the building starts)

Yes, you could say that one could turn a blind eye to this. But before you do that, think about this:
- in a few months a couple more cars will start parking casually around the property, after all why not
- in a few years the PPE will have to pay $$$$$ to repaint scratched external walls, repair subsided paving, broken kerbs, clean oil marks and whatever else may appear, which will all be paid by the OP and other owners. I bet you the "family" will do everything it can to get out of paying for it

I must admit I began appreciate the Swiss strictness around these issues and I can no longer understand how anyone would find this acceptable
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You forgot rooftop snipers

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You need to figure out how stubborn the neighbour is on the following scale:

What it takes to move the car:

1. Dirty looks
2. Passive aggressive note under wiper
3. Direct confrontation
4. Calls to police
5. Tar on windscreen
6. Keying the sides of the car
7. Puncturing the tires
8. Setting car on fire at night
9. Nuke from orbit
10. Asteroid strike
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Yes, you could say that one could turn a blind eye to this. But before you do that, think about this:
- in a few months a couple more cars will start parking casually around the property, after all why not
- in a few years the PPE will have to pay $$$$$ to repaint scratched external walls, repair subsided paving, broken kerbs, clean oil marks and whatever else may appear, which will all be paid by the OP and other owners. I bet you the "family" will do everything it can to get out of paying for it
Let's play the if this trend continues game: people that like breaking rules, don't break only one. So, the driver may even stop by the EF to ask if it's OK to be fined by overtaking in the right lane, passing lights in yellow or why licenses are withheld for months
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