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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

Just park your own car 10cm in front of them.

And go on vacation.
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I realise I’m in the greatest minority here but I kind of sympathize with the son.

Wait, give me a chance!

If I was just visiting my dad, I certainly wouldn’t want to pay 200chf/year for a street parking bay. I already pay for parking at home, at work and then also at family and friends? It is something that has always annoyed me in Switzerland, there is tons of parking available but it’s all so restricted you often have to drive around for ages finding somewhere suitable - and I’m not too cheap to pay a few francs but I don’t want to have to move my car in 1 hour or pay 20 CHF each time.

Why aren’t there sufficient visitors bays?

It is unbelievably annoying to look around and see a hundred empty quiet spots you could park your car but they are ALL somehow reserved or restricted for someone that isn’t even there and won’t be there! Often most bays remain empty 90% of the time.

I didn’t see the photo and I’m sorry for the neighbour whose bedroom window he is parking close to, of course that can be annoying. But fumes etc., really? It’s not like he leaves the engine running.

I know many will disagree, but I completely don’t agree with this culture of ‚rules are rules‘ and ‚what if everyone starts doing it‘ and ‚OMG, in 3 years there may be scratches on the wall‘ - lets not hold him responsible for all these things that haven’t happened yet.

He‘s visiting his dad and wants to park his car...why doesn’t the PPE focus on finding a solution for that rather? It’s not utterly unreasonable, is it?
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

Mmh, well, in my opinion, your groan speaks volumes. Clearly, you are being totally openminded on this topic. Please, continue on your vigilante mission that actually personally doesn’t even affect you. Enjoy!
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When 'just visiting your dad' involves a 35 year-old living somewhere full time on the black it becomes more than just a visit. Parking spaces are dedicated for a reason - to protect common areas in the PPE and our quality of life. A question for you, since the respective room affected by the poor lad's exhaust fumes in our apartment would be my 2 year-old's room. Would you accept said guy returning late each night to park his car outside your kid's bedroom window with the risk, damage to health and invasion of space that that entailed - waking up your kid too - all for sake of saving him 200 notes per year, all on some sort of misguided communitarian basis? I doubt it, but then perhaps we're built differently, and it wasn't normal in the UK where I grew up.

Also, please spare me the ad hominem attacks - I am an open-minded person, I just happen to think that societies function better if people obey the rules they've signed up to, although in the case of this son that's clearly a moot point.

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If I was just visiting my dad, I certainly wouldn’t want to pay 200chf/year for a street parking bay. I already pay for parking at home, at work and then also at family and friends? It is something that has always annoyed me in Switzerland, there is tons of parking available but it’s all so restricted you often have to drive around for ages finding somewhere suitable - and I’m not too cheap to pay a few francs but I don’t want to have to move my car in 1 hour or pay 20 CHF each time.

Why aren’t there sufficient visitors bays?
Of course, as visitor you cannot know all the details. Ask the friend you're visiting for tips. Some stores let you park outside working hours if you don't leave the car for overnight. In the town I lived before, Migros allowed to park after store closure, they put a sign explaining this. Same for schools, government buildings, etc.

Also, it's nice that hosts offer parking. I live near a school where parking is free on weekends. When a friend visits, I park my car in the school and let the friend park on my underground place.

About places being available 90% of time, well.....they're private even if they're not behind a fence or a gate as is common in other countries. Don't mistake the lack of fences (low criminality) for the absence of private property.
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Re: Neighbor Illegally Parking - Help!

How many people live in the flat he visits? Get the Covid Police to visit, max 5 people groupings at themoment!

Good luck anyway

Our problem was people using our Restaurants car park, and not using the Restaurant. After numerous approaches, Letters under the wipers etc. (and screaming agressive confrontations) we went to the Gemeinde. It cost just over 2000 chufs leagaly to declare parking there ileagal unless visiting the Restaurant.

Now, after a polite warning, if idiots persist, we can get them towed away and then it costs them up to 2000 chufs to get there car back from a compound!

Everywhere are notices to this effect, and highly visable.

Give the Gemeinde a call to check your leagal rights, it might work for you as well. If you check your local anziger newspaper, you will see quite a lot of these notices giving due warnings about ileagal parking and towings in the future.

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How many people live in the flat he visits? Get the Covid Police to visit, max 5 people groupings at themoment!

Give the Gemeinde a call to check your leagal rights, it might work for you as well. If you check your local anziger newspaper, you will see quite a lot of these notices giving due warnings about ileagal parking and towings in the future.

Again, Good Luck

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Thanks mate! All the best to you, and glad you got your situation sorted
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I realise I’m in the greatest minority here but I kind of sympathize with the son.

Wait, give me a chance!

If I was just visiting my dad, I certainly wouldn’t want to pay 200chf/year for a street parking bay. I already pay for parking at home, at work and then also at family and friends? It is something that has always annoyed me in Switzerland, there is tons of parking available but it’s all so restricted you often have to drive around for ages finding somewhere suitable - and I’m not too cheap to pay a few francs but I don’t want to have to move my car in 1 hour or pay 20 CHF each time.

Why aren’t there sufficient visitors bays?

It is unbelievably annoying to look around and see a hundred empty quiet spots you could park your car but they are ALL somehow reserved or restricted for someone that isn’t even there and won’t be there! Often most bays remain empty 90% of the time.

I didn’t see the photo and I’m sorry for the neighbour whose bedroom window he is parking close to, of course that can be annoying. But fumes etc., really? It’s not like he leaves the engine running.

I know many will disagree, but I completely don’t agree with this culture of ‚rules are rules‘ and ‚what if everyone starts doing it‘ and ‚OMG, in 3 years there may be scratches on the wall‘ - lets not hold him responsible for all these things that haven’t happened yet.

He‘s visiting his dad and wants to park his car...why doesn’t the PPE focus on finding a solution for that rather? It’s not utterly unreasonable, is it?
If you’d seen the photo you’d understand why it was a problem.

The car is in a private (non parking) area right in front of somebody’s window.
I wouldn’t want it there either.

Visitors spaces are available for visitors, if they’re full then he needs to find somewhere else to park. That’s life.
If he’s spending as much time there as the OP suggests he’s more than just a visitor, he’s resident and should pay for parking just the same as everyone else.
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Old 10.02.2021, 11:38
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When 'just visiting your dad' involves a 35 year-old living somewhere full time on the black it becomes more than just a visit. Parking spaces are dedicated for a reason - to protect common areas in the PPE and our quality of life. A question for you, since the respective room affected by the poor lad's exhaust fumes in our apartment would be my 2 year-old's room. Would you accept said guy returning late each night to park his car outside your kid's bedroom window with the risk, damage to health and invasion of space that that entailed - waking up your kid too - all for sake of saving him 200 notes per year, all on some sort of misguided communitarian basis? I doubt it, but then perhaps we're built differently, and it wasn't normal in the UK where I grew up.

Also, please spare me the ad hominem attacks - I am an open-minded person, I just happen to think that societies function better if people obey the rules they've signed up to, although in the case of this son that's clearly a moot point.
It isn’t your 2 year old‘s room, so again ... why not deal with what is real and not these blown up made-up variations of what could be and ‚damage to health‘ from parking a car is a ridiculous exaggeration. It sounds to me, the neighbour it is affecting is a lot less bothered by it all than you are. Have they actually approached you for help? Because to me it sounds like this doesn’t affect you at all and no one it does bother has come to you, asking for help. It sounds like you are on a self-appointed mission to correct this perceived wrong.

You talk about these rules - is there a clear ‚no parking‘ rule there? Or have you just decided it is so? Yes, we are different, I’m sure, I too abide by rules though but just because you say it’s a rule, doesn’t make it one.

I never said I think this guy is in the right but I am pointing out an alternative way this could be viewed from his side so maybe the approach to the solution could work better for both parties. Clearly you just want support for your view so no, I don’t feel your response is open-minded.

So please, go ahead get a lawyer, phone the cops, set a fire so the fire department gets involved. Or instead you could try and understand that yeah, maybe some countries and cultures have more relaxed approaches to parking. Since we live in Switzerland though, the rules here apply, so make sure the rule is actually a rule and maybe, just maybe, calm down and go try have a friendly chat with the dad before blowing this all out of proportion.
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I wonder if Absperrpfosten would habe been a cheaper solution?

https://kernag.ch/de/produkte/absper...rrpfosten.html
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Some of the opinions on here seem rather bizarre to me. We had an almost identical problem in our apartment in Klosters. One family began to utilise "space" in the car park, which was compounded when one of their sons left home and took the space over as his permanent and free illegal visitor parking bay.

The matter was continually brought up at our AGM's and the family were repeatedly told to desist. Like some of the commentators on here they simply couldn't understand why they shouldn't just randomly park their extra cars wherever they pleased. We paid CHF 40k for our internal space and external spaces cost CHF 20k. In the end it was agreed amongst all the owners that we would create an extra parking space (which in our case was possible by making a small adjustment to a fence) and it was offered for sale to the offending family for market price (20k). Oddly enough they didnt want to buy it, someone else did and that was the end of the matter.

For people who think that one thing doesn't lead to another, the same family extended their patio into the communal garden area and then erected a fence around it. I think they are still paying off the legal fees that they acquired as a result.

Communal areas require everyone to show respect and a bit of free space in a bullding, garden or externally doesn't mean that it's up for grabs.
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Communal areas require everyone to show respect and a bit of free space in a bullding, garden or externally doesn't mean that it's up for grabs.

Best summary of the whole situation in one sentence.
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I think that same family must have a second home in our Quartier...

Using the visitor parking 24/7 even though they had their own space in the garage, because the visitor space was closer to their house. Friendly requests were ignored. When it was brought up at the Quartier Versammelung, the woman started parking her car across two of the visitor spaces, just to flip the metaphorical bird at complainers. She is well-connected in the village, more or less dared anyone to take her, and her Vitamin B, on.

It all came to a head when an ambulance responding to an emergency couldn't park. I don't think even her considerable Vitamin B got her out of that fine...

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I certainly chafe at the typical busybody-ness that goes on, am generally a live and let live sort of person, and try to stay out of neighborhood drama. But living as we must in such close proximity, some rules and regs around use of scarce resources are indeed needed to keep us from descending into a Calhounian sink. Parking is one of those.

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BenVevey, I hope you all find a workable and equitable solution.
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When it was brought up at the Quartier Versammelung, the woman started parking her car across two of the visitor spaces, just to flip the metaphorical bird at complainers. She is well-connected in the village, more or less dared anyone to take her, and her Vitamin B, on.

BenVevey, I hope you all find a workable and equitable solution.
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Some good news: the Alfa 6C 2500 in the scene was a replica.
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Yes, you could say that one could turn a blind eye to this. But before you do that, think about this:
- in a few months a couple more cars will start parking casually around the property, after all why not
- in a few years the PPE will have to pay $$$$$ to repaint scratched external walls, repair subsided paving, broken kerbs, clean oil marks and whatever else may appear, which will all be paid by the OP and other owners. I bet you the "family" will do everything it can to get out of paying for it

I must admit I began appreciate the Swiss strictness around these issues and I can no longer understand how anyone would find this acceptable
this is already seen, not in CH but in other parts of the world. Silently start coming in big numbers around properties you are interested, and pressure the owners to move out so you can buy cheaply from them.

Yes, Swiss can be strict but and not in the next 10 years, rather slowly but surely see in the next decades how things will develop, and how many people will be silently agreeing to move out.
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If the police get involved, this could affect any possibility of getting a Swiss passport in the future.
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If the police get involved, this could affect any possibility of getting a Swiss passport in the future.

please can you elaborate with real examples?
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this is already seen, not in CH but in other parts of the world. Silently start coming in big numbers around properties you are interested, and pressure the owners to move out so you can buy cheaply from them.




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And if he has an accident as a result of a flat or semi-flat tyre that for whatever reason he doesn't notice before driving off?
Wow, that baffled me too. Some people are just sad.

@araguil,

Trust me, what you proposed belongs to the Criminal Code.

Apart from the not so discreet slander (ish) tone of the thread, is there anyone else here who proposed nuking the said family out of the orbit?
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