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I was invited to a winter driving course by Jaguar Land Rover in Gstaad. I think it normally costs close to Fr.2K, but you get to drive a good variety of cars on the snow and ice at the airport and also on a par course. The only car missing was the F-type. You’ll also figure out that the cars you think will perform well will not necessary do so. Eg. The Range Rover sport SVR with its weight and power was just sliding around. But then again you were encouraged to put the pedal to the floor to experience a proper skid. OMG it was one of the most fun day I ever had in recent memory!
I had an F-Type before the Tesla M3. It was nearly impossible to apply full gas in anything but dry conditions in the F-Type rear wheel drive. I never drove it snow, but having experienced it in the wet, I hate to imagine how it would be.

The reality of the OP‘s question is that unless it is snowing heavily or you have to scale a mountain pass, driving at low temperatures is no prob de-icer and battery allowing.

BMW have, rightly or wrongly, earned a poor reputation for performance in difficult conditions and in very bad conditions a FWD is better and AWD better still.

The Tesla (FWD) by the way is amazing in snow - floor it and the computer takes over. That and the weight of the batteries mean it simply and gently pulls away without slipping or sliding...
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Old 10.02.2021, 21:33
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I had an F-Type before the Tesla M3. It was nearly impossible to apply full gas in anything but dry conditions in the F-Type rear wheel drive. I never drove it snow, but having experienced it in the wet, I hate to imagine how it would be.

The reality of the OP‘s question is that unless it is snowing heavily or you have to scale a mountain pass, driving at low temperatures is no prob de-icer and battery allowing.

BMW have, rightly or wrongly, earned a poor reputation for performance in difficult conditions and in very bad conditions a FWD is better and AWD better still.

The Tesla (FWD) by the way is amazing in snow - floor it and the computer takes over. That and the weight of the batteries mean it simply and gently pulls away without slipping or sliding...
I drove 500,000 km in RWD BMW's spending over 25 weekends a year in the mountains every year. LSD plus winter tyres was more than a match for heavy FWD Audi A4's & the forum's favourite car a Qashqai, The only person I know who wrote a car off in snow at 850m in St Gervais this year was driving a Land Rover Discovery 4, far too heavy, going down hill in crawler mode lost control.

I have only ever got stuck with FWD & chains, a Citroen BX & Peugeot 306, both times the front wheels just dug a hole until the underneath of the car was dragging on the snow.
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

I'm convinced that my wife's RWD BMW has a secret murder-the-driver mode that is activated by the wipers. Its utterly useless in the snow. A bad weather forecast is enough to get it sideways in a blaze of warning lights and claim forms. Yet my old RWD 5 series was fantastic in the same conditions.
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I'm convinced that my wife's RWD BMW has a secret murder-the-driver mode that is activated by the wipers. Its utterly useless in the snow. A bad weather forecast is enough to get it sideways in a blaze of warning lights and claim forms. Yet my old RWD 5 series was fantastic in the same conditions.
Tires. Two winters ago I pulled a stuck 4WD SUV with my RWD 3 series on new winter tires.
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I have only ever got stuck with FWD & chains, a Citroen BX & Peugeot 306, both times the front wheels just dug a hole until the underneath of the car was dragging on the snow.
BX was actually great, you could use the hydraulics to raise the car. Much easier to put the chains on/off and for deep snow. I had one and it was always the first one out of the fresh snow. You just had to drive slow, as the upper position was not meant for long drives. Those were times when the only normal priced 4WD were Lada Niva and Fiat Panda.
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Whatever you do, avoid braking quickly.
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

the forecast also says dry weather and wind, so the motorway with its massive amount of salt might be dry.

If the road is wet, it might be hard to see black ice.

If you have a modern car and the road is straight like most motorways, leave a large distance from the car in front.

I think leaving enough time planned in to avoid the impulse of driving dangerously also helps.
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I had an F-Type before the Tesla M3. It was nearly impossible to apply full gas in anything but dry conditions in the F-Type rear wheel drive. I never drove it snow, but having experienced it in the wet, I hate to imagine how it would be.

The reality of the OP‘s question is that unless it is snowing heavily or you have to scale a mountain pass, driving at low temperatures is no prob de-icer and battery allowing.

BMW have, rightly or wrongly, earned a poor reputation for performance in difficult conditions and in very bad conditions a FWD is better and AWD better still.

The Tesla (FWD) by the way is amazing in snow - floor it and the computer takes over. That and the weight of the batteries mean it simply and gently pulls away without slipping or sliding...
The gas is a pedal that allows to regulate the power output of the engine, not an ON/OFF switch

In some cars you don't want to apply full gas unless you're on a track, German autobahn or alone in an empty parking lot to do stupid stuff. This is not a problem, this is a feature, a very fun feature.
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Whatever you do, avoid braking quickly.
Whatever you do, avoid slowing down by braking. Use the gears - carefully.

Oh? You have an automatic? Pity!
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