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Old 09.02.2021, 17:58
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Driving - icy conditions this week

I don't drive much and it is bad luck that I have to drive this week and I see that temperatures will be as low as -21C. AFAIK, at this temperature, salt will not even help to melt the ice.

I have winter tires, but wondering are there any other precautions I should take? This will be mainly motorway driving.
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I don't drive much and it is bad luck that I have to drive this week and I see that temperatures will be as low as -21C. AFAIK, at this temperature, salt will not even help to melt the ice.

I have winter tires, but wondering are there any other precautions I should take? This will be mainly motorway driving.
It's generally not an issue, allow longer stopping distances, mountain roads go a slower especially DOWNHILL!
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Old 09.02.2021, 20:49
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

I took a short ice-driving course at Dubendorf (ZH) airfield where they can simulate ice with a smooth painted road surface continuously sprayed with water.

It was incredible how slow one has to go to successfully negotiate cones. Straight line speed and even straight line braking with ABS is a doddle, but cornering is another story. (Done is Golf GTI).

So, ignore those in 4WD who believe their SUVs were designed for speed in snow, and take your time...
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

Where is the winch and snorkel guy when you need him?

Weather looks like it'll get cold, but no other issues. On motorways you should be fine. Make sure you have a full tank.

If it gets icy or heavy snow, I would pack a shovel, an old blanket (for traction) and some warm clothes and drink.
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Old 09.02.2021, 21:11
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

Do you have FWD, RWD, AWD, 4WD?

My old FWD in the USA did far better in snow and ice than our current RWD here in CH. Sorry, that's a lot of acronyms.
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

To many people think 4WD means 4 Wheel Stop. It doesn’t.

Winter tires are designed to perform in the cold, although stopping distances will likely increase. Expect black ice in shady bits. You will be OK as you have got the right attitude.
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Old 09.02.2021, 21:32
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Where is the winch and snorkel guy when you need him?

Weather looks like it'll get cold, but no other issues. On motorways you should be fine. Make sure you have a full tank.

If it gets icy or heavy snow, I would pack a shovel, an old blanket (for traction) and some warm clothes and drink.
The survival kit in my car: full tank, phone charger, autosocks, sleeping bag, and half kilo of chocolate
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

Slightly off-topic: I've seen a car on tires with spikes close to our home in the mountains. Are you actually allowed to drive with these on public roads?
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Old 09.02.2021, 22:08
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Slightly off-topic: I've seen a car on tires with spikes close to our home in the mountains. Are you actually allowed to drive with these on public roads?
Sometimes it's even required.!

Just not in tunnels or highways.

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Old 09.02.2021, 22:09
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The survival kit in my car: full tank, phone charger, autosocks, sleeping bag, and half kilo of chocolate
+packaged fondue, rechaud, bread, and tools.

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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

Worth noting that on national highways the salt in pre-treated as it comes out of the truck and is effective down to -21.
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Old 09.02.2021, 22:32
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

What ice, it as 12C today!

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Since you're the sensibly cautious one, remember that some drivers are the opposite of that. Best to set out a little earlier so that if things seem dangerous, you can slow down a bit or, on a smaller road can pull off for a few minutes, and just let the crazy folk pass you.
I understand from my Swiss daughter, who will take a driving test as soon as COVID possible, that an extreme icy curriculum on specially concipated sites is an integral part of passing the Swiss driving license. So it may be that many Swiss drivers feel more confident.
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Old 09.02.2021, 22:48
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I understand from my Swiss daughter, who will take a driving test as soon as COVID possible, that an extreme icy curriculum on specially concipated sites is an integral part of passing the Swiss driving license. So it may be that many Swiss drivers feel more confident.
I was once driving in 15 cm of snow at 120kph in upstate New York on the TSP.

Fine until I hit a buried ice patch, and did a 360.

Fortunately, I didn't hit anything, so went on my merry way.

Tom

P.S. I also once did a 360 on the highway in Oslo in the summer after a short rain, and bitched at the people at NRK for providing me with a car with hardened rubber, which they fixed immediately.
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I was once driving in 15 cm of snow at 120kph in upstate New York on the TSP.

Fine until I hit a buried ice patch, and did a 360.

Fortunately, I didn't hit anything, so went on my merry way.

Tom

P.S. I also once did a 360 on the highway in Oslo in the summer after a short rain, and bitched at the people at NRK for providing me with a car with hardened rubber, which they fixed immediately.
Yes, all of this kind of stuff is apparently obligatory training as a part of going through the long process of getting a Swiss driving license https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-licence/

And it also seems really expensive here because of all the extra specialist courses etc.

So, it may well be that many Swiss are not only “crazy” drivers in icy conditions, but have also been trained in it in order to obtain their license.
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

Link to skid control courses:

https://en.comparis.ch/autoversicher...rs-winter-tipp
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

I was invited to a winter driving course by Jaguar Land Rover in Gstaad. I think it normally costs close to Fr.2K, but you get to drive a good variety of cars on the snow and ice at the airport and also on a par course. The only car missing was the F-type. You’ll also figure out that the cars you think will perform well will not necessary do so. Eg. The Range Rover sport SVR with its weight and power was just sliding around. But then again you were encouraged to put the pedal to the floor to experience a proper skid. OMG it was one of the most fun day I ever had in recent memory!
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I was invited to a winter driving course by Jaguar Land Rover in Gstaad. I think it normally costs close to Fr.2K, but you get to drive a good variety of cars on the snow and ice at the airport and also on a par course. The only car missing was the F-type. You’ll also figure out that the cars you think will perform well will not necessary do so. Eg. The Range Rover sport SVR with its weight and power was just sliding around. But then again you were encouraged to put the pedal to the floor to experience a proper skid. OMG it was one of the most fun day I ever had in recent memory!
Have to ask: Did you know our now deceased friend Jagwaugh? He was pretty much the expert on all things, and even more the car Jaguar. Big boots to step into. Sorry, nothing against you, was just the right place, and I miss our EF colleague.
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Have to ask: Did you know our now deceased friend Jagwaugh? He was pretty much the expert on all things, and even more the car Jaguar. Big boots to step into. Sorry, nothing against you, was just the right place, and I miss our EF colleague.
Not personally and only on EF, but I definitely miss him on these pages.
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Re: Driving - icy conditions this week

Really miss being allowed to have studded tires.
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