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Import a precautionary seized car into Switzerland

Hello to everyone.

I'm involved in an completely unfair trial in one European country and that country made an order to seize all of properties until the final court decision. I'm still under investigation and i haven't been accused yet.


I have a car which was ordered to be seized too along with all my other properties. They didn't find the car on the seizure date, and according to the law, i can use it freely but i can't sell it.

Since i live now in Switzerland, i want to import this vehicle and change the plates. I have the resident permit, i have my company here, everything is perfect.

Can i import this vehicle into switzerland or i will have problems? I won't sell it or change the name, i will still be the owner of that vehicle.

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Hello, and welcome to the forum.

You say that the law that states that you can use the care freely, but can't sell it. It's just a hunch, but I would expect that that same law, or esle regulations around it or to do with possessions being seized, in that European country, would also specify whether or not you are allowed to move the car across the borders of that country.
Yes, I'm with you on that.

I don't think anything on the Swiss side would stop you from doing this, but the courts who have made such a ruling would not be best pleased to find that you'd moved it out of their jurisdiction. Expect more pain in the future when they actually want to seize it.
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Re: Import a precautionary seized car into Switzerland

I d no neither see a problem with the import. But there might be some problems with the export.
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Re: Import a precautionary seized car into Switzerland

The only problems will come from the country that seized the car. Be careful.

In many countries this would be an arrestable offence of either unlawful removal or worse still, contempt of court.
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Re: Import a precautionary seized car into Switzerland

Check the terms of the seizure notice more closely but just exporting it to a country where you reside I wouldn't have thought would be an attempt to hide assets. Good luck with the trial and the non-accusation. May the best man win.
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Can i import this vehicle into switzerland or i will have problems? I won't sell it or change the name, i will still be the owner of that vehicle.
You wonít get that far. Do you seriously thing that the authorities donít have details of a car that is the subject of a court order??? They canít arrest you just because you are under investigation, but Iíd be fairly certain that they can for attempting to subvert a court order. And probably open up the possibility of them asking the Swiss authorities for assistance in investing you further.

Now no matter what you say, an investigation in any EU country the results in court orders to have property impounded is an extremely serious matter and the last thing you should do is present them with further opportunities to come after you.

Go and get yourself proper legal advice. Remember any resulting criminal record will be known to the authorities here as well and may impact your status here as well.
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Since i live now in Switzerland, i want to import this vehicle and change the plates. I have the resident permit, i have my company here, everything is perfect.

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Reminds me of a guy with orange skin and a bad comb-over.
These guys are never to bright. Back in the day, I was always amazed how the amateur in the game was always so confident that he could beat the professionals.
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Re: Import a precautionary seized car into Switzerland

Whoīs been a naughty boy eh?
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These guys are never to bright. Back in the day, I was always amazed how the amateur in the game was always so confident that he could beat the professionals.
And it's always unfair!
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Hello to everyone.

I'm involved in an completely unfair trial in one European country and that country made an order to seize all of properties until the final court decision. I'm still under investigation and i haven't been accused yet.

I have a car which was ordered to be seized too along with all my other properties. They didn't find the car on the seizure date, and according to the law, i can use it freely but i can't sell it.

Since i live now in Switzerland, i want to import this vehicle and change the plates. I have the resident permit, i have my company here, everything is perfect.

Can i import this vehicle into switzerland or i will have problems? I won't sell it or change the name, i will still be the owner of that vehicle.

Regards
You're asking advice on something quite probably illegal. So, go a bit deeper into the internet. TOR browser and that kind of stuff.
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You wonít get that far. Do you seriously thing that the authorities donít have details of a car that is the subject of a court order??? They canít arrest you just because you are under investigation, but Iíd be fairly certain that they can for attempting to subvert a court order. And probably open up the possibility of them asking the Swiss authorities for assistance in investing you further.

Now no matter what you say, an investigation in any EU country the results in court orders to have property impounded is an extremely serious matter and the last thing you should do is present them with further opportunities to come after you.

Go and get yourself proper legal advice. Remember any resulting criminal record will be known to the authorities here as well and may impact your status here as well.

I'm not trying to hide the car or anything. I just live here in switzerland and i want to import the car as it is my main car.

From this case i dont hide anything, i'm an open book, because i know i did nothing wrong.

Even during the resident permit issuing i told the truth, that i'm under investigation.

All i asked, is to do this legal and if i have problems with authorities, because if i do, yes i wont do it of course.

As i said it's precautionary decision,it's final. It's indeed legal to drive this car in EU at the moment.

Just one question now.

What will happen if i try to import a vehicle in switzerland after 1 year of the residence permit issuing date? Do i pay fee, or simply i can't? The car is not here, is in another country. I never drove with it here

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What will happen if i try to import a vehicle in switzerland after 1 year of the residence permit issuing date?
Did you declare it as part of your personal assets when you arrived?

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Did you declare it as part of your personal assets when you arrived?
That's not required - you can still bring it in up to the year after you moved here, as long as you can show that you owned the car for long enough before you first arrived (6 months before moving here, isn't it?).

Whether it was declared at that time is irrelevant. Lots if people who first come here don't know if they're going to stay permanently and whether or not they want to bring their vehicle(s) with them, so it's actually very common that the first time the car is brought in and declared is some long time after the original moving date.
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That's not required - you can still bring it in up to the year after you moved here, as long as you can show that you owned the car for long enough before you first arrived (6 months before moving here, isn't it?).

Whether it was declared at that time is irrelevant. Lots if people who first come here don't know if they're going to stay permanently and whether or not they want to bring their vehicle(s) with them, so it's actually very common that the first time the car is brought in and declared is some long time after the original moving date.

Just I believe you can't drive it in Switzerland on EU plates after one year so It'll need to be driven in illegally or some other solution found for that. You'd have to be very unlucky to be caught driving it but it can happen.
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Just I believe you can't drive it in Switzerland on EU plates after one year so It'll need to be driven in illegally or some other solution found for that. You'd have to be very unlucky to be caught driving it but it can happen.
Believing is good. Knowledge is better.,

After a year of residency you can drive a freshliy imported car for up to a month on foreign plates. Obviously under the condition the car has been declared at the border, it is in good working order, has the mandatory 3rd party insurance, and the driver has a valid driving license. Otherwise nobody could import any car.

Details can be found in ASA directive 1 https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/direttive/^

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That's not required - you can still bring it in up to the year after you moved here, as long as you can show that you owned the car for long enough before you first arrived (6 months before moving here, isn't it?).

Whether it was declared at that time is irrelevant.
By the letter of the law and regulations it should have been declared on the initial form 18.44
In real life Swiss custom is rather relaxed and subsequent imports of goods not mentioned on the form 18.44 is often still possible. Specially if one can proof that the goods were in use at least 6 month before taking up residency in Switzerland. Important to not: in case of a car ownership is not needed, all what mattrers is that one used the car. Otherwise one could not import a leased car tax and duty free.

Directly from the Swiss custom https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...val-goods.html
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10. I would like to import my household effects in several stages. How do I proceed?
Subsequent consignments must already be declared to the customs office at the time of the initial consignment on a separate list. This may also concern a vehicle. The detailed formalities must be attended to directly with the customs office concerned. If the consignment was not reported at the time of the initial importation, please refer to question 11.

11. How much time do I have to import the items which are still abroad?
The household effects should be imported during the period of transfer of domicile. No problem is posed if this occurs within a period of 2 years. The main prerequisite that the articles should have been used for a period of at least six (6) months before the transfer of domicile must nonetheless be respected. With regard to subsequent consignments, tax exemption will only be granted under certain conditions.

14. When and how do I have to declare my car for importation?
The vehicle must be declared directly on importation into Switzerland. If the household effects and the car are imported separately, the procedure must be carried out as indicated under question 10; separate clearance at a different customs office is also possible.

17. My car has been used by me for more than six (6) months but the papers of the vehicle are in the name of my father/ mother/ employer. How do I proceed?
In addition to the documents belonging to the vehicle a declaration from the person/company shown in the documents has to be submitted. It must be clear which person(s), from when and for what reason the vehicle was used by the person(s) other than those mentioned in the documents belonging to the vehicle.

18. My vehicle is leased. Does that influence the customs formalities?
No, customs formalities do not take account of the fact that the vehicle is leased but the number plate change may be affected. For more information, please enquire at the Road Traffic Office in your canton of domicile.
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