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Recommended approach to bringing vehicle in to CH

I am contemplating buying a commercial vehicle (fire engine ) in Germany and having it worked on to make it in to a “Wohnmobile” - the work I might get done in Holland or perhaps Germany.

Either way what’s the best way to approach this ?

a) Get the vehicle from Germany and then import it in Switzerland as is - allowing me to then claim back some Mehrwertsteuer

Or

B) Get the vehicle from Germany - take it for renovation (Umbau) and then bring the Wohnmobile spec’d vehicle in to CH

Call me noobie but I’ve only ever bought one car before and that was from a dealer which was nice and easy....
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Old 16.03.2021, 20:38
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You need to find someone here who is an expert in such things, to see if it is even feasible!

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You need to find someone here who is an expert in such things, to see if it is even feasible!

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You’re right. Without getting bogged down in what to do need to find out whether it’s fundamentally possible to get old commercial vehicles registered as mobile homes. Knowing the way things run here might be impossible.
Now just need to find some one that knows about these things.
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Re: Recommended approach to bringing vehicle in to CH

As you are in Horgen, give the Strassenverkehrsamt in Zürich a ring. Look at the website first to try to find out who to contact. I am not sure if what you wish to do is possible.
Also, if you have a car, there is a "Garage" on Seestrasse between Horgen and Zurich that usually has special cars on show. Can't remember the name or town, sorry. But maybe drive by and see if you can spot it. They might be able to help as well.
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Re: Recommended approach to bringing vehicle in to CH

Good idea on the garage - I think I know the one - they sell old US 60 machines if I recall correctly.
I spoke to some one at Strassenvehkehrsamt today and sent them copies of the paper so fingers crossed they come back with something positive. NOt entirely confident they will though I suspect the engine / emsssions might be needing to be at least Euro 2 compliant.
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Re: Recommended approach to bringing vehicle in to CH

You can absolutely convert a commercial vehicle into a motorhome. If you think about it all motorhomes start their life as a light or heavy goods vehicle. You'll notice with a lot of HGV and ex-military conversions that the living quarters are completely separate from the cab. The reason for that is the desire to not make changes to the underlying vehicle. For example, cutting a door in the rear of the cab to enter the living quarters constitutes a material change to the vehicle. Likewise you should avoid making structural changes to the chassis, adding new structural parts or moving existing parts to accommodate water tanks etc is a big no-no unless you really like paperwork. Keep in mind that the traffic office will inspect the living quarters not just the vehicle so you need to be aware of the rules regarding exits, gas lines, fire extinguishers, waste water storage etc.

As others have said, the Strassenverkehrsamt is a good starting point.
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...the Strassenverkehrsamt is a good starting point.
Yep just been mailing them - very friendly lot I must say - they seem quite helpful and get back pretty quickly as well.

It seems that I need to consult with some thing called the APS (DTC or FAKT) which deal with emissions. The interesting part is that I am told the emissions need to be checked that they are inline with the regulations that were in a place at the time rather than todays.

In parallel I have also been speaking to some one at MB who is looking in to something called homologation - a word I have never come across before. I suspect its might have some thing to do with the APS and they can sort out a certificate but costs a grand a half (MB!)
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The interesting part is that I am told the emissions need to be checked that they are inline with the regulations that were in a place at the time rather than todays.
At the time of first REGISTRATION, not at the time of MANUFACTURE (unless manufactured in CH).

So, a pre-war vehicle in a crate would need to meet modern regs, but one that was registed and re-crated only needs to meet the regs in effect when it was first registered.

Don't ask how I know.

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At the time of first REGISTRATION, not at the time of MANUFACTURE (unless manufactured in CH)
TBH that was kind of what I thought as well. Message from SVA:

“You have to prove the emission standard that was valid in Switzerland at the time.”

Possibly something lost in translation... will call tomorrow.

But the whole thing no looking good since this a 1996 truck with probably Euro 2 engine.
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Homologation has to do with the certificate of conformity. Basically it means that it has to be approved as meeting a standard. Most original manufactured goods are produced to meet the standards in force for that market, for safety, performance, etc. If you modify that good, you will probably have to prove or have it re- certified that it is still in conformity. Depending on the good, the market, the standard, this could be very expensive.
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