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The problem is there is nowhere to rent a parking space close to where I live, we have looked into it in the past.
The problem is there is nowhere to rent a parking space close to where you live? And that you got a little fine that you want to go to the Police and stridently protest as unfair?

Respectfully, the problem is actually that there is a ongoing global pandemic and emergency. People are suffering. People are dying. People are losing their jobs. People are under stress and encountering mental health problems. People are unable to travel, to visit friends, to see family. Industries are being decimated. And none of this is over or nearly over yet, and no one really knows when it will be.

Could you consider your parking issue up as a minor cost of doing business, perhaps?
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Old 23.03.2021, 13:28
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Common sense would dictate that what you have been doing is 'cheating' the system. You got away with it for a good long while, but your luck ran out. I don't think that you have any case to fight this.
You know all those lawyer shows you see on TV? How many times do they argue "well it's common sense innit"? The problem with common sense is that it's usually not common and often doesn't make sense.

Cheating would be not abiding by the rules. If the rule is that the car has to be put into traffic then as soon as you've done that you have equal rights to that space as anyone else "in traffic" and can drive back and park without breaking any rule. If you simply drive your car 30m to the next space this would be against the rules and "cheating" as you put it.

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Why call it a house if it doesn't have at least 1 parking place?
In English English the term "the house" is used to mean the place where you live even if it's not a house.
Also I've never heard that a house can't be a house without at least one parking space.

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which forces me to leave the house or get a ticket. It is counter productive to the federal and cantonal effort to fight Covid.
What about the other work from homers who might also want to park there car? You have to move your car to free the space. Once the space is properly free according to the rules you can return to it.

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Usually the onus is not on the accused to prove anything. Asking for evidence is often an effective way to get out of parking tickets.

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Old 23.03.2021, 13:42
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In English English the term "the house" is used to mean the place where you live even if it's not a house.
Also I've never heard that a house can't be a house without at least one parking space.
Not to mind terraced houses or old townhouses with no front garden.
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Re: Fighting parking ticket

I think the OP is certainly within his rights to visit the police to clarify what is the regulation. According to him he left a parking spot and returned minutes later to the same spot.

What does the regulation provide?

I know in Vaud there can be a minimum time away, but this is Zürich. It is not the UK either.
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Respectfully, the problem is actually that there is a ongoing global pandemic and emergency. People are suffering. People are dying. People are losing their jobs. People are under stress and encountering mental health problems. People are unable to travel, to visit friends, to see family. Industries are being decimated. And none of this is over or nearly over yet, and no one really knows when it will be.

Could you consider your parking issue up as a minor cost of doing business, perhaps?

Yes, I understand. Of course I am in this same situation. I don't like having to work from home. I don't like that I haven't been able to visit my family in over two years now. I don't like that I can't go to a restaurant or a pub with friends to unwind. I don't like that my gym is closed and I can't go watch a sports game. I am under the same stress as everyone else, were it not the case then a stupid parking ticket wouldn't really matter. But in this case it is the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. Many of these things I can't control, I don't know when I'll be able to travel again and visit family, I don't know when I'll be able to go to a restaurant again, but the least they could do if using common sense is not add extra stress to people already suffering greatly by making them worry about where to park when they are stuck at home by government mandate.

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I think the OP is certainly within his rights to visit the police to clarify what is the regulation. According to him he left a parking spot and returned minutes later to the same spot.

What does the regulation provide?

I know in Vaud there can be a minimum time away, but this is Zürich. It is not the UK either.
I'm based in Vaud, if there is a minimum time away from a spot it is not listed on the sign.

As mentioned I usually take the dog out at 2, when the 6 hours expires. I drive, sometimes around the block, sometimes to the park to play frisbee a bit, then I go back to park again. This can be as little as 10ish minutes or as much as 30-40 minutes, but I really don't know how long I have to leave a spot for it to be valid to park there again.

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What about the other work from homers who might also want to park there car? You have to move your car to free the space. Once the space is properly free according to the rules you can return to it.
Sure, I think other work from homers shouldn't be ticketed for leaving their car there all day either. I'm not asking for a special exemption for myself.

I don't know how long I have to vacate the spot before I can return to it. It is not listed on the parking sign.

The traffic people from what I have seen come at most twice a day (I can see my car out my window but I am usually focused on the computer screen.) I'm just really surprised I got ticketed I guess. If someone has the actual law as to how long a spot has to be vacated in Vaud that would be useful.

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Old 23.03.2021, 15:30
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Re: Fighting parking ticket

What I don't understand is... why do you keep trying to justify yourself to the forum (I understand your initial frustration - as you had left the spot once - but all the excuses you come up with later in the thread and giving the pandemic the fault of you getting a ticket - starts to sound whiny) while you know that none of us can tell you with 100% certainty if you can fight it or not - so just call the number on the ticket (ok, I've never gotten a ticket in my life- so I don't know where you'd call, but am assuming it'd be on the ticket?? ) and find out!
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Sure, I think other work from homers shouldn't be ticketed for leaving their car there all day either. I'm not asking for a special exemption for myself.

I don't know how long I have to vacate the spot before I can return to it. It is not listed on the parking sign.

The traffic people from what I have seen come at most twice a day (I can see my car out my window but I am usually focused on the computer screen.) I'm just really surprised I got ticketed I guess. If someone has the actual law as to how long a spot has to be vacated in Vaud that would be useful.
These other workers, where are they going to park if all the spots are taken? They have to park down the hill because you've blocked a space all to yourself?

Exactly what did you do when you moved/reparked your car? As said before, driving a few metres to park in a different space is not counted as leaving.

For Vaud I could only find the usual offense of "Changing the parking clock without driving away first"
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Sure, I think other work from homers shouldn't be ticketed for leaving their car there all day either. I'm not asking for a special exemption for myself.

I don't know how long I have to vacate the spot before I can return to it. It is not listed on the parking sign.

The traffic people from what I have seen come at most twice a day (I can see my car out my window but I am usually focused on the computer screen.) I'm just really surprised I got ticketed I guess. If someone has the actual law as to how long a spot has to be vacated in Vaud that would be useful.
If you are not using the car and only moving it when you are trying to circumvent the law, why not park it legally in that further spot?
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Usually the onus is not on the accused to prove anything. Asking for evidence is often an effective way to get out of parking tickets.
Sure, and if they can show two pictures of the car in exactly the same place with the time indicator changed that's their evidence. At which point it would be up to the owner to prove that, despite the evidence, the car had actually been used in the interim. Do you think they'll just accept his word on that?
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Old 23.03.2021, 15:53
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Sure, I think other work from homers shouldn't be ticketed for leaving their car there all day either. I'm not asking for a special exemption for myself.

I don't know how long I have to vacate the spot before I can return to it. It is not listed on the parking sign.

The traffic people from what I have seen come at most twice a day (I can see my car out my window but I am usually focused on the computer screen.) I'm just really surprised I got ticketed I guess. If someone has the actual law as to how long a spot has to be vacated in Vaud that would be useful.
Stop 1 min to think that you're competing with your neighbors for a scarce resource: parking on the street. One of your neighbors that pays the macaron (30 CHF a month) may have made a call and given the plates number.

About laws, was it a blue or a white zone? Much better if you share a pic of the parking sign. Usually there are some hours in there and even a reference to the law.
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If you are not using the car and only moving it when you are trying to circumvent the law, why not park it legally in that further spot?
or just get rid of it... No one should have a car for 10-15 minute drives to "take the dog out".
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What I don't understand is... why do you keep trying to justify yourself to the forum (I understand your initial frustration - as you had left the spot once - but all the excuses you come up with later in the thread and giving the pandemic the fault of you getting a ticket - starts to sound whiny) while you know that none of us can tell you with 100% certainty if you can fight it or not - so just call the number on the ticket (ok, I've never gotten a ticket in my life- so I don't know where you'd call, but am assuming it'd be on the ticket?? ) and find out!
Fair enough, should have put this in the rant forum instead of here. Mostly wanted to blow off steam.
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It's not against the rules to park in exactly the same spot. That evidence would only be of value if the timestamps were close enough together to exclude the possibility of the OP having left the area. He's gone quiet on exactly what he did preferring now to argue that allowances should be made for overstaying because of covid.
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or just get rid of it... No one should have a car for 10-15 minute drives to "take the dog out".
Sigh, if you paid attention at all I normally would take it to work. In case you haven't noticed we are in a lockdown and are government mandated to work from home. I only drive it the 10-15 min now because I need to move it because of the 6 hour limit on parking near my house, this is only an issue until the lockdown ends and I can start going in to work again.

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It's not against the rules to park in exactly the same spot. That evidence would only be of value if the timestamps were close enough together to exclude the possibility of the OP having left the area. He's gone quiet on exactly what he did preferring now to argue that allowances should be made for overstaying because of covid.
I've said exactly what I did, I walked behind my house with my dog, put the dog in the back of the car. Drove down the street until it ended (looking if another parking spot was open). Turned right, drove until the street ended, turned right onto the main road. Drove up the main road a bit. Turned right again, looked for any open parking spots. Turned right again, drove back down the secondary road that passes behind my house, saw that the only spot on this route was the one that I had vacated a little while ago. Parked, put the timer in the window with the new time, took the seatbelt off the dog in the back seat. Let the dog out of the car, walked the dog home. Went back to work.

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Fair enough, should have put this in the rant forum instead of here. Mostly wanted to blow off steam.
Which is understandable, hey, we all have such experiences & moments
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It's not against the rules to park in exactly the same spot. That evidence would only be of value if the timestamps were close enough together to exclude the possibility of the OP having left the area.
I think you may be mistaken there, otherwise there would be no realistic way of prosecuting for the offence mentioned unless the warden physically witnessed the timer being changed without the car moving.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but it seems likely to me that an unsupported defence of "I moved it, honest guv" would be unlikely to be accepted.
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Re: Fighting parking ticket

So, just to summarise:

- You have used a series of public parking spaces as your personal, permanent parking space, free of charge, using a loophole in the rules

- You have restricted other people from using these spaces

- You think that because you are being inconvenienced by the pandemic that you should be provided free parking

I think that sums it up? I really don't understand why you haven't received more sympathy?
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So, just to summarise:

- You have used a series of public parking spaces as your personal, permanent parking space, free of charge, using a loophole in the rules

- You have restricted other people from using these spaces

- You think that because you are being inconvenienced by the pandemic that you should be provided free parking

I think that sums it up? I really don't understand why you haven't received more sympathy?

- I use one of many public parking spaces to park in, following the rules of the parking space as posted.

- I have not restricted anyone from anything, this is a straw man argument. I pay my taxes, I have as much right any of the spots as anyone else within the conditions of the parking (which is the only point under dispute)

- I really don't care about your sympathy, I care about the law. From the wording on the ticket I could in theory just pull out of the spot and pull back in and I have "left the spot". If there is a law I don't know about, like some amount of time I have to leave then that's fine, but I haven't seen it anywhere. Maybe someone here can clarify.

The law is the law, I'm in Switzerland so I will follow the laws as they are written. Since the law is I should move my car every 6 hours in the particular zone I park in, as stupid as I think the law is, I move my car every 6 hours. As far as I know, there is no law preventing me from reparking in the same spot, if there is I would be happy to see it.

Do I think they should just stop enforcing parking limit laws during the pandemic, sure, then I wouldn't have to interrupt my day everyday to go move the car. But this is a different point, and not one I'm arguing.
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The rules ar clear. We have had several highly publicised cases in the Neuchâtel region last few years- where residents were regularly taking the car out of one place, driving around the village, and parking in another (parking in the same place is always a NO NO)- and they tried to fight against the fines, saying they had gone 'into trafiic'. The Police clearly said that driving around the village, and not getting into the main road system and returning within 15 mins- was not 'getting into traffic'. In each case, the individual lost. It is what it is- how you feel about it is unfortunately irrelevant.
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- I really don't care about your sympathy, I care about the law. From the wording on the ticket I could in theory just pull out of the spot and pull back in and I have "left the spot". If there is a law I don't know about, like some amount of time I have to leave then that's fine, but I haven't seen it anywhere. Maybe someone here can clarify.

The law is the law, I'm in Switzerland so I will follow the laws as they are written. Since the law is I should move my car every 6 hours in the particular zone I park in, as stupid as I think the law is, I move my car every 6 hours. As far as I know, there is no law preventing me from reparking in the same spot, if there is I would be happy to see it.
I think you're not telling the whole story because the fine should mention the law. Something like Ordonnance sur les amendes d'ordre (OAO) chapter 2 article 201 park a second time https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/oc/2019/93/fr



As JackieH mentioned, there is no fixed time to leave before parking again in the same place. But, there's this phrase sans avoir, auparavant, engagé de nouveau son vehicule dans la circulation. The literal translation is without having previously re-entered the vehicle in traffic.

Have a beer or take a break and then read this https://www.24heures.ch/vaud-regions...story/25284452 If you park in the same place for a long time trying to play the game of the 6 hours and you don't have a macaron, your neighbors probably called the police. Without a macaron, your car looks like not a resident/neighbor, so anyone paying for parking, not finding a free place and seeing your car is more than motivated to make a call.

PS. I guess you have to fight over the meaning of without having previously re-entered the vehicle in traffic. Good luck telling the story about the dog and all that.
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