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I've said exactly what I did, I walked behind my house with my dog, put the dog in the back of the car. Drove down the street until it ended (looking if another parking spot was open). Turned right, drove until the street ended, turned right onto the main road. Drove up the main road a bit. Turned right again, looked for any open parking spots. Turned right again, drove back down the secondary road that passes behind my house, saw that the only spot on this route was the one that I had vacated a little while ago. Parked, put the timer in the window with the new time, took the seatbelt off the dog in the back seat. Let the dog out of the car, walked the dog home. Went back to work.
Then I think there's nothing wrong with that, depending on if that's considered "put back into traffic". I would say you did that but I guess one could argue that you needed a specific alternative purpose for that journey but that's not what the rule says.
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Old 23.03.2021, 18:37
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I think you may be mistaken there, otherwise there would be no realistic way of prosecuting for the offence mentioned unless the warden physically witnessed the timer being changed without the car moving.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but it seems likely to me that an unsupported defence of "I moved it, honest guv" would be unlikely to be accepted.
You're entitled to your opinion however silly I find it ;-)
Think of it another way. Say the OP was accused of hit-and-run on the same day. Would two pictures of his car in a parking space one before the incident and one after be proof that he didn't do it? Not that he would need that proof either.
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I've said exactly what I did, I walked behind my house with my dog, put the dog in the back of the car. Drove down the street until it ended (looking if another parking spot was open). Turned right, drove until the street ended, turned right onto the main road. Drove up the main road a bit. Turned right again, looked for any open parking spots. Turned right again, drove back down the secondary road that passes behind my house, saw that the only spot on this route was the one that I had vacated a little while ago. Parked, put the timer in the window with the new time, took the seatbelt off the dog in the back seat. Let the dog out of the car, walked the dog home. Went back to work.
Looks like your previously working solution for very convenient free street parking has been terminated for the time being. Regrettable, certainly. Others might have even more weepy sob stories of late.

Quick suggestion: take a longer drive than just around the block and don’t ever park running in the same space again. Personal suggestion: taking the dog out generally involves more than just belting it up for a ride around the block
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Old 23.03.2021, 19:29
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Re: Fighting parking ticket

Come on folks, cut OP some slack.

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Really, I am just looking for a solution to park by my house without getting a ticket while the national lockdown is in place, I thought until yesterday that taking the car for a short drive every 6 hours was enough but clearly this is not the case.
The problem here is that you need to bring the car back into circulation in order for your moving to "count", but the requirements for this to count aren't clear, there's not even an official minimum that needs to be met in order for the moving to potentially count.

A ruling by the federal courts (somewhat dated, from 1991, but regulations definitely haven't become less strict since) said that it's not enough to move the car from one spot in the same field to another spot. In the case at hand, it was a blue zone field running on one side of the same road for quite a stretch, and the driver had "moved his car by 25-50m" when time was running out for the first parking, occupying another spot in the same blue field. The parking fine was ruled justified.

An outright challenge, or even getting the pictures printed, will cost you much more than the fine costs, so that won't be useful. But most police will see reason if the situation is as you describe it, especially once they realise that you intend to avoid more stuff they may deem illegal.

Talk to the police, ask for advice, a phone call should do fine since you speak French (presumably on at least near-native level) although a visit in person to the police station will carry more weight.
They'll probably say something very much along what you did so far, in which case suggest/ask that they take a (very) close look at the pictures they're likely to have taken, they should demonstrate that your car was moved (changed wheel nuts angles for instance). Probably better avoid mentioning that you've been doing this for months until it's clear that it is Ok, just in case.
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Old 23.03.2021, 19:52
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Do I think they should just stop enforcing parking limit laws during the pandemic, sure, then I wouldn't have to interrupt my day

I think this about sums you up
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I think this about sums you up
Talk about a misquote
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But this is a different point, and not one I'm arguing.
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Old 23.03.2021, 20:17
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I think this about sums you up
The problem with EF pile-ons is that we don't know when to stop. I think that's a bit over the top towards someone you don't know.

What I'd say to the OP is that the best long-term solution is to look again at finding a space to rent. It's not clear what sort of place he/she lives in but it's pretty unusual to offer accommodation without any possibility of paying for a parking space. Personally I'd not agree to rent or buy a place to live if I couldn't park in situ. If you're renting your house/apartment talk to the landlords about the problem. If it's an apartment block, ask to go on a waiting list for a space should someone move out or give up their space. If the landlord provides no parking then speak again to the Gemeinde. Even if you have to rent the space that's a walk away, I would do that rather than have the constant hassle and stress of having to move the car at certain times and hope the space is still free when I returned. Now that you don't have to drive to work every day perhaps you only need your car once or twice a week? If so, maybe it doesn't matter that you have to park 15 mins walk away. You could combine it with your dog-walking duties. Anything would be preferable to your current arrangement. And you must be saving quite a lot of money in reduced petrol costs and wear & tear, so cost shouldn't be an issue.
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Sigh, if you paid attention at all I normally would take it to work. In case you haven't noticed we are in a lockdown and are government mandated to work from home.
So you expect this to change anytime soon? Cute.
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Old 23.03.2021, 20:34
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Re: Fighting parking ticket

Dear OP,

If you're not driving to work every day, are you saving some cash on fuel, café lunches etc? Still coming out on top, even after the fine?

Could you park your car at your place of work and leave it there for a few weeks etc, until WFH is no longer an obligation?
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I think you're not telling the whole story because the fine should mention the law. Something like Ordonnance sur les amendes d'ordre (OAO) chapter 2 article 201 park a second time https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/oc/2019/93/fr



As JackieH mentioned, there is no fixed time to leave before parking again in the same place. But, there's this phrase sans avoir, auparavant, engagé de nouveau son vehicule dans la circulation. The literal translation is without having previously re-entered the vehicle in traffic.

Have a beer or take a break and then read this https://www.24heures.ch/vaud-regions...story/25284452 If you park in the same place for a long time trying to play the game of the 6 hours and you don't have a macaron, your neighbors probably called the police. Without a macaron, your car looks like not a resident/neighbor, so anyone paying for parking, not finding a free place and seeing your car is more than motivated to make a call.

PS. I guess you have to fight over the meaning of without having previously re-entered the vehicle in traffic. Good luck telling the story about the dog and all that.
The ticket says:

203.2 Changer l'heure d'arrivée sans quitter la place.
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Dear OP,

If you're not driving to work every day, are you saving some cash on fuel, café lunches etc? Still coming out on top, even after the fine?

Could you park your car at your place of work and leave it there for a few weeks etc, until WFH is no longer an obligation?
Car is PHEV so fuel costs are pretty negligible (run on electric probably 95% of the time.

I still use the car almost daily, just not during work hours, mostly to drive out to a forest or a large park to hike and let the dog run around in the evening.

I'm actually not that worried about the fine (unless it starts happening regularly/daily). I'm just trying to understand the principle of the thing. All our lives are disrupted right now because of the pandemic. Trying to figure out how to park legally near my house is just another new concern piled on the mountain of concerns I didn't think I would have to deal with.
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Old 23.03.2021, 21:08
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Re: Fighting parking ticket

You and me both - all of us indeed, in different ways. It's been tough, sh*** even. Perhaps walking a few minutes to legally parked car not the worst - somehow.
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Old 23.03.2021, 21:15
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Talk about a misquote

Let me check back.....no, that's exactly what was said. The fact that the point is not being argued does not mean that it wasn't stated.


I'm usually pretty mild mannered, but we have people almost dying on trams, awful kita staff, terrible Swiss food and I just want to get back to people trying to offload their overpriced lease deals or trying to ascertain developer salaries.


Is that too much to ask?
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Old 23.03.2021, 21:40
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The ticket says:

203.2 Changer l'heure d'arrivée sans quitter la place.
That's exactly the next page in the Ordonnance sur les amendes d'ordre (OAO).

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203.2 Changer l’heure d’arrivée sans quitter la place (art. 48, al. 4, OSR)
You're being fined for not moving the car and just changing the hour in the disk.

So, this changes the story completely. The fine is not for parking a second time without having previously re-entered the vehicle in traffic . It seems the police has some way to prove the car was never moved and the disk with different hours. I'd assume photos.

I guess if you dispute the fine and put attention to wheel nuts angles as Urs Max mentioned above, you might avoid the 40 CHF fine this time. But it all depends on the period between the photos. If its only a few min, i guess there's no way to escape the fine.

I guess you have to reserve some energy to find a solution. The person checking the cars in your neighborhood has identified an easy target: your car. Don't be surprised if the fines keep coming.
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Old 23.03.2021, 21:40
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The ticket says:

203.2 Changer l'heure d'arrivée sans quitter la place.
Once you do a forward parking, then you do a reverse parking. Not too difficult.

Anyway, you could park for the whole period for 40 CHF in total, which is an absolute bargain in Switzerland. Stop complaining.
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Is that too much to ask?
Obviuosly.

People should be thankful for covid as it keeps them safe from Swiss food, the virus being the most important of the recent Swiss developments. The locals do everything they can, and then some (see the import statistics of foreigners), to keep them safe from those gawdawful chefs, but what do those ungrateful barstewards do? Ignore the noon quiet time and order something random in any bloody joint they can't even pronounce the name of! Serves them right.

Or take OP, he can't keep from parking the car 2cm beyond the blue line, or 28secs longer than allowed. And still has the guts to complain about the well-deserved fine - can you believe it!

So, it's no wonder EF members, in their just and neverending wrath, keep piling up on OP for his audacity to take a stand and defend his position.
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The problem with EF pile-ons is that we don't know when to stop. I think that's a bit over the top towards someone you don't know.
I concur. Even if we may not totally agree with everything the OP says, OP has provided reasonable and respectful responses to myself and others, even when we could have been more sympathetic - myself included.

Lockdown sucks.

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In Basel the rule is the car "has to be put into traffic" before it can park in the same street. Something that's unlikely to be able to be done in a couple of minutes. I believe it's the same rule for Zurich. No idea where the OP is.
I found a similar definition to that in quotes too. I had assumed driving round the block was OK and do that a lot. I take a picture when I leave my car in case someone hits it and then claims it was sticking out. I reverse the direction of the car when I move it. This doesn't work in Germany where cars need to face the same way. If you forget when you parked you have the time on the photo, also the GPS information if that is turned on!
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You're being fined for not moving the car and just changing the hour in the disk.

So, this changes the story completely.
Not really; I thought that was pretty clear from the outset, but whatever...
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I concur. Even if we may not totally agree with everything the OP says, OP has provided reasonable and respectful responses to myself and others, even when we could have been more sympathetic - myself included.

Lockdown sucks.
Thank you, I really wasn't trying to do something crazy, I've lived in Switzerland for almost 7 years but the intricacies of parking laws were something that have never been an issue until now. Normally I just follow the rules posted on the sign. Now we are all stuck in a pandemic, life is very abnormal, stressful, and frustrating for everyone and I am learning now the finer subtleties of parking laws and trying to deal with what to do for whatever unknown period remains before the lockdown ends.
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