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Jeep Life 06.04.2021 00:25

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3292668)
cost of shipping is about $1000 - i.e. negligible (or about 2 dinners out in switzerland).
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Really? 1k for two dinners? :msnshock:

DL21 06.04.2021 00:55

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Originally Posted by Jeep Life (Post 3292938)
Really? 1k for two dinners? :msnshock:

If you’ve got a family the size of a Honda Pilot, yes.

Jeep Life 06.04.2021 04:13

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3292944)
If you’ve got a family the size of a Honda Pilot, yes.

OP has two kids. You might scare him :D

DL21 06.04.2021 07:27

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Ok maybe 3-4 dinners.

Kittster 06.04.2021 10:00

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The parking bays in out apartment building are the standard 2.35 metres wide for that type of parking spot, others can be narrower. Your hulk of a car is 2 metres in width, I would hate your car (and probably you, unfortunately, although you sound like a perfectly reasonable person) with the force of a thousand suns if you had the bay next to mine. If you are found to have your wheels outside of a parking spot in public, you will get fined. Someone who went to court over this was told that "it is the size of the spot and not the size of the car that defines where you can park".

More rural roads just about fit two European-sized cars with attentive drivers on them, so if you plan on exploring our beautiful country, you will spend a lot of time pulling to the side or making others do so. Furthermore, you may become the recipient of acts of petty interference, as big cars are a bugbear for many people.

What baffled me when I looked up the specs is that this massive thing is classed as "mid-size SUV" :msnshock: - just how much space does a normal human need when doing the weekly shop? Grotesque. And with all the kids walking to school, I'd hate to have such a massive thing circulating, the risk of lethal impact is so much bigger than with a reasonably sized vehicle.

In summary - don't do it. Unless everyone driving the car is an absolute parking ninja and precision driver, you'll be stressed every time you take it out. And using two spots at once will see your car splashed over social media or land you with fines. Yes, I am aware that there are other big chunks of metal on the road but they are the ones I observe causing so much bother to other people. Don't be that guy (or girl).

DL21 06.04.2021 11:24

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3292988)
The parking bays in out apartment building are the standard 2.35 metres wide for that type of parking spot, others can be narrower. Your hulk of a car is 2 metres in width, I would hate your car (and probably you, unfortunately, although you sound like a perfectly reasonable person) with the force of a thousand suns if you had the bay next to mine. If you are found to have your wheels outside of a parking spot in public, you will get fined. Someone who went to court over this was told that "it is the size of the spot and not the size of the car that defines where you can park".

More rural roads just about fit two European-sized cars with attentive drivers on them, so if you plan on exploring our beautiful country, you will spend a lot of time pulling to the side or making others do so. Furthermore, you may become the recipient of acts of petty interference, as big cars are a bugbear for many people.

What baffled me when I looked up the specs is that this massive thing is classed as "mid-size SUV" :msnshock: - just how much space does a normal human need when doing the weekly shop? Grotesque. And with all the kids walking to school, I'd hate to have such a massive thing circulating, the risk of lethal impact is so much bigger than with a reasonably sized vehicle.

In summary - don't do it. Unless everyone driving the car is an absolute parking ninja and precision driver, you'll be stressed every time you take it out. And using two spots at once will see your car splashed over social media or land you with fines. Yes, I am aware that there are other big chunks of metal on the road but they are the ones I observe causing so much bother to other people. Don't be that guy (or girl).

hilarious. well written. bravo.

of course if it was a 2m wide Taycan nobody would mind. because that's a far more swiss car!

st2lemans 06.04.2021 12:55

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293025)
hilarious. well written. bravo.

of course if it was a 2m wide Taycan nobody would mind. because that's a far more swiss car!

We have a 2001 Ford Maverick (Escape in the US) which is a SMALL SUV (and still quite large)! :eek:

Alas, we sometimes need the 4wd, ground clearance and towbar (rustico at end of a forest road, OK when dry for normal cars, mud or snow need the Maverick or the Panda 4x4 (the Panda is a MICRO SUV, seats 5 and goes anywhere, but has less ground clearnce than the Maverick)

Tom

Axa 06.04.2021 13:25

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293025)
hilarious. well written. bravo.

of course if it was a 2m wide Taycan nobody would mind. because that's a far more swiss car!

I don't have a Taycan but I'm surprised at how my local car understands local parkings. The door has 3 predefined opening positions where it more or less locks in place. The first one stops 3-4 cm away from touching the other car in narrow parking places. The second door position yields the same outcome for larger parking places. The 3rd door position which should be more comfortable, I don't even use it. Well, only when vacuum cleaning the car.

I think there's some standard in car parking width and car manufacturers just made the door stop according to these widths.

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 13:44

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I've seen many drivers of small cars experience great difficulty in pulling into a parking spot straight, let alone not being too close to a line, and spatial awareness on roads is confounding for some so this is not an issue limited to drivers with larger vehicles.

And I still cannot figure out why so many Swiss like to back-up into a spot when they will need to load their goods into the trunk / boot (but I digress).

We imported our Honda from the US without much hassle in cost, getting registered, insured or in getting repairs done. Yeah, it probably costs more for parts and parking can sometimes be difficult, but the car was quite new and fully paid so financially it made sense for us and we don't regret it.

The OP needs to figure out what makes sense for them.

bokabil 06.04.2021 14:10

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293100)
And I still cannot figure out why so many Swiss like to back-up into a spot when they will need to load their goods into the trunk / boot (but I digress).

I'm not Swiss but I always reverse-park. Why, because I can. And it allows me to better center my car on the spot and be a considerate person. I can see the lines on the mirror and better maneuverability. If I need to load grocery bags, we'll I have hands for that, plus I'm not lazy.

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 14:50

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Originally Posted by bokabil (Post 3293117)
I'm not Swiss but I always reverse-park. Why, because I can. And it allows me to better center my car on the spot and be a considerate person. I can see the lines on the mirror and better maneuverability. If I need to load grocery bags, we'll I have hands for that, plus I'm not lazy.

Not sure how reverse-parking makes you a considerate person? Parking head-in I can see the lines and can maneuver pretty easily between cars and lines to center it.

In any case, you'd still need to open the trunk / boot to load your groceries so not a question of laziness. To me, it's more practical to do so when your cart / trolley is in the a wider space of an aisle between rows of parking spots than the few centimeters between cars in front-to-front spots.

DL21 06.04.2021 15:32

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293155)
Not sure how reverse-parking makes you a considerate person? Parking head-in I can see the lines and can maneuver pretty easily between cars and lines to center it.

In any case, you'd still need to open the trunk / boot to load your groceries so not a question of laziness. To me, it's more practical to do so when your cart / trolley is in the a wider space of an aisle between rows of parking spots than the few centimeters between cars in front-to-front spots.

nope. reverse parking is much easier - can be done in one movement. forward parking needs either some back and forth or masses of swing space due to the fact the front wheels steer and the backs get dragged along.

every time you see one of those diagonally parked cars with the wheels left on full lock (usually with italian plates) it is always forward parked.

MusicChick 06.04.2021 16:18

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293180)
nope. reverse parking is much easier - can be done in one movement.

I don't think I'll ever get there.

I mean, I got other fab one movement wonders, but this ain't it. :eek: :D

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 16:33

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293180)
nope. reverse parking is much easier - can be done in one movement. forward parking needs either some back and forth or masses of swing space due to the fact the front wheels steer and the backs get dragged along.

every time you see one of those diagonally parked cars with the wheels left on full lock (usually with italian plates) it is always forward parked.


nope. reverse parking is harder and at least equal if not more steps. You need to go past the spot, put the car in reverse, look in your mirrors and then maneuver backwards into a spot may be between two cars and then also straighten yourself out. Heads-in requires a swing, but one fluid movement in the direction of travel with also some straightening as needed.


Also seen reverse parkers nowhere near the center of the spot.

robBob 06.04.2021 16:56

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293199)
nope. reverse parking is harder and at least equal if not more steps. You need to go past the spot, put the car in reverse, look in your mirrors and then maneuver backwards into a spot may be between two cars and then also straighten yourself out. Heads-in requires a swing, but one fluid movement in the direction of travel with also some straightening as needed.


Also seen reverse parkers nowhere near the center of the spot.

Ain't got auto park?
https://youtu.be/U91Zp9wWS30

DL21 06.04.2021 17:10

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293199)
nope. reverse parking is harder and at least equal if not more steps. You need to go past the spot, put the car in reverse, look in your mirrors and then maneuver backwards into a spot may be between two cars and then also straighten yourself out. Heads-in requires a swing, but one fluid movement in the direction of travel with also some straightening as needed.


Also seen reverse parkers nowhere near the center of the spot.

if you have enough space to swing in forward with the rear wheels in the correct place, then the whole point is moot. sadly that is rarely the case.

sorry i don't count either driving past the space or looking into mirror as 'steps' in this case.

MusicChick 06.04.2021 17:12

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Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3293208)
Ain't got auto park?
https://youtu.be/U91Zp9wWS30



I didn't know watching somebody park was a thing.

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 17:51

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293212)

sorry i don't count either driving past the space or looking into mirror as 'steps' in this case.

Then there are at least equal steps and we can disagree on which method is easier.

I will continue to wonder why the reverse-in, especially in parking lots with head-to-head spots where you likely will need to access the trunk / boot for whatever stuff was purchased and the head-in car will leave you little room for the reverse-in car to do so :)

Enough tangents on this thread for the poor OP!:D

DL21 06.04.2021 18:02

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293233)
Then there are at least equal steps and we can disagree on which method is easier.

I will continue to wonder why the reverse-in, especially in parking lots with head-to-head spots where you likely will need to access the trunk / boot for whatever stuff was purchased and the head-in car will leave you little room for the reverse-in car to do so :)

Enough tangents on this thread for the poor OP!:D

head to head spots are completely impossible to drive in forward without a ton of back and forth! unless you drive a rear steer articulated dump truck. they are basically the same as parallel parking on the street. surely you wouldn't attempt to do that front first? or do you just mount the kerb with abandon? if driving backwards is such a challenge, what do you do when you meet an oncoming car on a single track road? refuse to reverse even if there is a passing space right behind you? i think i've come across your type. especially during holiday periods. we call you 'schone panoramas'....

in any case the trunk/boot in my car is in the front.....

pilatus1 06.04.2021 18:30

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293238)
if driving backwards is such a challenge, what do you do when you meet an oncoming car on a single track road? refuse to reverse even if there is a passing space right behind you?

A few weekends ago i was out for a hike and stopped to eat lunch at a scenic spot. I watched as a car started from a parking lot down a single lane road traversing a steep hillside, but only went about 15 meters before a wide delivery truck came around the next bend in the opposite direction. The car stopped and hesitated for a while, staring at the truck like a deer caught in headlights, before finally conceding and putting it into reverse. Unfortunately, they must have never tried this before. Despite 4 or 5 attempts, they kept backing up into the scrubby grass on the edge of the road - then pulling forward again into the middle. In the meantime, several other cars had arrived and seen that they had to make room for the reversing car, and for the truck, and had reversed themselves back into the parking lot. It was taking the unable-to-reverse driver so long to move, that these cars were now blocking the access road to the nearby hotel and a small traffic jam developed, along with a small crowd of people who were taking in the spectacle (and laughing quite hysterically at the absurdity of it all, as was I).

The driver just happened to be a blonde woman in a BMW with Aargau plates.


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