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niu 03.04.2021 15:43

U.S. Honda Pilot [car] Move to Zurich
 
We are moving to Zurich from the U.S. and plan to bring our 2016 Honda Pilot EX-L there.

Does anyone know what modifications are needed to be able to register it in Switzerland? Thanks!

erchegyia 03.04.2021 17:48

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You need to do a complete European homologization (most expensive part is probably exchanging the lights).
Is it worth it for such car?

pilatus1 03.04.2021 18:32

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sell it and buy a different car when you get here.

Even if you go through all the hassle of importing it, they are not sold in Europe. Therefore nobody will ever want to buy it from you here when the time comes to sell it.

bowlie 03.04.2021 19:16

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Originally Posted by pilatus1 (Post 3292455)
sell it and buy a different car when you get here.

Even if you go through all the hassle of importing it, they are not sold in Europe. Therefore nobody will ever want to buy it from you here when the time comes to sell it.

And you will have challenges finding someone to service it. Itís probable you could find someone, but expect to pay Ďtip-topí price.

DL21 03.04.2021 23:01

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sell it and buy a car here.

it's a boring car - not worth spending thousands and days of time on getting it legal and then still being stuck with car that will be hard to sell here.

evop 04.04.2021 00:25

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As many here already have said: don't bring this car from US to Switzerland.

It will cost an arm and a leg (1/4 of the new car price for starter would be a ball park asesment) to modify it, to ship and get it through customs and register it here. And the annual cost will be much higher, then you will get for almost any similar car made for CH and EU. Due to the big engine (3500cm3) and the bad Energietikette (it would be E at best, more likely G) and poor emissions (anything above 130g/km is undesirable), just the annual vehicle tax (in Zurich) will be more than 600 CHF. It is much better to have a lower volume turbo charged engine for that matter, since the same car with 2000cm3 turbo engine would cost you half of that annually. And a hybrid would be less than half of that half.

I left a 5.4L snake to age in CT for a reason. Will have to wait just 9 more years, if ever, to get it here as a "historical vehicle" (unless it will rust into dust due to the lack of TLC).:msnsad:

niu 04.04.2021 14:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by erchegyia (Post 3292443)
You need to do a complete European homologization (most expensive part is probably exchanging the lights).
Is it worth it for such car?

Thanks for the suggestion. Out initial thought is that since I have a relocation package and 2 kids (and we are used to driving around/road-trip in the US), we will bring it over.

Maybe it is not worth it.

niu 04.04.2021 14:54

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3292501)
sell it and buy a car here.

it's a boring car - not worth spending thousands and days of time on getting it legal and then still being stuck with car that will be hard to sell here.

I found that the new car in CH is much more expensive than it is in the U.S.

For instance, a Benz/BMW is almost 60% higher priced..

niu 04.04.2021 15:50

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Originally Posted by evop (Post 3292508)
As many here already have said: don't bring this car from US to Switzerland.

It will cost an arm and a leg (1/4 of the new car price for starter would be a ball park asesment) to modify it, to ship and get it through customs and register it here. And the annual cost will be much higher, then you will get for almost any similar car made for CH and EU. Due to the big engine (3500cm3) and the bad Energietikette (it would be E at best, more likely G) and poor emissions (anything above 130g/km is undesirable), just the annual vehicle tax (in Zurich) will be more than 600 CHF. It is much better to have a lower volume turbo charged engine for that matter, since the same car with 2000cm3 turbo engine would cost you half of that annually. And a hybrid would be less than half of that half.

I left a 5.4L snake to age in CT for a reason. Will have to wait just 9 more years, if ever, to get it here as a "historical vehicle" (unless it will rust into dust due to the lack of TLC).:msnsad:

Thanks for your kind message. I was doing my calculation, for us transporting the car is free (paid through relocation package), so it is just homogenization and registration of the car, and of course, plus the other fees/taxes that you mentioned.

I found that it is a lot more expensive to buy a car in CH, compared to the U.S. We have 2 kids, and sometimes our family also visits, so we usually have a 7/8-seat SUV to travel. I did some quick check, for instance, buying a Tesla Model X costs 105k/130k Swiss Franc there vs. 85k/115k USD in the U.S., and the price difference of other brands is even bigger.

So I thought, OK, probably we should ship the car to CH since it is free, and the Japanese car is pretty low maintenance (basically just need to do the oil change, even I can do it myself) and live with that.

What do you think? Other suggestions?

evop 04.04.2021 16:06

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The local prices are higher, especially for vehicles with high emissions.

There are very few intersections between Mercedes/BMW US and CH lineups due to vastly different markets and ecological norms (e.g. in 2021's BMW X-series lineup in CH most of the cars are either hybrid or M-series, very few just "normal" Xs). I honestly tried, but failed to find a single similar X1 for a direct comparison, but the prices of the basic models on both markets are not that different (34500 CHF vs 35400 USD for the essential X1 sdrive model, and you can get a plug-in-hybrid for as low 39100 CHF). Those are different cars, but the smaller engine may be a better choice for a normal road use.

For models offered in US a CH dealer would have to pay an sensitive CO2 penalty (e.g. more than 8000 CHF for 2021 BMW X1 xDrive28i).

I can't advise about 8-seaters, not much experience. May be a Mercedes EQV or VW Caravelle would be a good idea, but has no personal experience with that.

komsomolez 04.04.2021 16:31

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Buying a new car is an absolute waste of money. The market for used cars here is amazing and you can find something 3-4 years old already depreciated by 50%.

Why people feel they need to drive around in an 8-seater is beyond me. I bet that 80% of the time, it will be one person in the car.

Island Monkey 04.04.2021 16:36

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How much would it cost your company to ship your car? Why not ask them for a lease/company car as part of the package instead?

niu 04.04.2021 16:50

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Originally Posted by evop (Post 3292651)
The local prices are higher, especially for vehicles with high emissions.

There are very few intersections between Mercedes/BMW US and CH lineups due to vastly different markets and ecological norms (e.g. in 2021's BMW X-series lineup in CH most of the cars are either hybrid or M-series, very few just "normal" Xs). I honestly tried, but failed to find a single similar X1 for a direct comparison, but the prices of the basic models on both markets are not that different (34500 CHF vs 35400 USD for the essential X1 sdrive model, and you can get a plug-in-hybrid for as low 39100 CHF). Those are different cars, but the smaller engine may be a better choice for a normal road use.

For models offered in US a CH dealer would have to pay an sensitive CO2 penalty (e.g. more than 8000 CHF for 2021 BMW X1 xDrive28i).

I can't advise about 8-seaters, not much experience. May be a Mercedes EQV or VW Caravelle would be a good idea, but has no personal experience with that.

I appreciate your suggestions. I have started to change my mind, will think a bit more and talk to my family about it. Thanks!

niu 04.04.2021 16:58

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Originally Posted by komsomolez (Post 3292655)
Buying a new car is an absolute waste of money. The market for used cars here is amazing and you can find something 3-4 years old already depreciated by 50%.

Why people feel they need to drive around in an 8-seater is beyond me. I bet that 80% of the time, it will be one person in the car.

You are right, I agree that a second-hand car is a good option.

You are also right that most of the time it is not an efficient use of the big SUV, so we also have a sedan. The SUV was often helpful when we go on a road trip here in the U.S. with two babies (2nd row occupied), and a good amount of stuff in the cargo, and also when our family members visit (2 more people). But I have heard a lot about public transportation at CH, which is a big difference from the U.S.

niu 04.04.2021 16:59

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 3292656)
How much would it cost your company to ship your car? Why not ask them for a lease/company car as part of the package instead?

I am going to ask them to deduct the cost of shipping a car from my moving (furniture, car, etc.) and to see what it comes down to.

I will check if I could use the money towards a rental/leasing car. Great suggestion, thanks!

Meerkat33 04.04.2021 18:01

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There's plenty of 7-seaters available in a very wide price range, I don't think you will have an issue finding something that is OK for you esp. if you go for a recent used car.

DL21 04.04.2021 18:06

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cost of shipping is about $1000 - i.e. negligible (or about 2 dinners out in switzerland).

the cost comes from the time and money spent making it legal when you probably don't speak the dialect needed to get on the right side of the people with the power to make that happen. then the ongoing running costs. figure 1000 / year registration and 1000 / year insurance. it will need a safety check each year (or two years) here which basically require it to be like new. so you won't get away with just old changes. it need zero play in the suspension bushings, perfectly operational shocks, good tires etc. its a far cry from the joke of an inspection in the US.

its also so big that its virtually unusable here. get a used smaller car here and when you're additional family visits, just rent another car for the week....

SwissPete 04.04.2021 22:57

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Also consider the possibility of renting a big SUV when the family comes for a visit. Then you can manage with one vehicle most of the time.

NickGB 05.04.2021 06:59

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Originally Posted by niu (Post 3292658)
You are right, I agree that a second-hand car is a good option.


Don't automatically rule out new cars. My company has discounts with most of the main car companies of between 20-30%, plus I've always been able to haggle a couple of more % off. When I looked at the used car prices it made more sense to buy new. Also bear in mind the warranty and free servicing on new cars. There are also a lot of great (0.9%) lease deals out there.


I would check if your company also has similar deals with these car companies.

robBob 05.04.2021 08:13

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This is the pilot equivalent here: https://www.de.honda.ch/cars/new/cr-v/overview.html

Also Subarus n Hyundais are relatively cheap here.
https://www.subaru.ch/subaru-kaufen/...e-sonderserien

Keep in mind that a problem with a large SUV is not just the cost of gas here, which compared to the USA is about double the price, but that of parking. Most parking spaces here are just large enough for a VW Golf.

If your just a family with 2 kids you may also want to consider a wagen. Switzerland has loads of em.

Jeep Life 06.04.2021 00:25

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3292668)
cost of shipping is about $1000 - i.e. negligible (or about 2 dinners out in switzerland).
.

Really? 1k for two dinners? :msnshock:

DL21 06.04.2021 00:55

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Originally Posted by Jeep Life (Post 3292938)
Really? 1k for two dinners? :msnshock:

If youíve got a family the size of a Honda Pilot, yes.

Jeep Life 06.04.2021 04:13

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3292944)
If you’ve got a family the size of a Honda Pilot, yes.

OP has two kids. You might scare him :D

DL21 06.04.2021 07:27

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Ok maybe 3-4 dinners.

Kittster 06.04.2021 10:00

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The parking bays in out apartment building are the standard 2.35 metres wide for that type of parking spot, others can be narrower. Your hulk of a car is 2 metres in width, I would hate your car (and probably you, unfortunately, although you sound like a perfectly reasonable person) with the force of a thousand suns if you had the bay next to mine. If you are found to have your wheels outside of a parking spot in public, you will get fined. Someone who went to court over this was told that "it is the size of the spot and not the size of the car that defines where you can park".

More rural roads just about fit two European-sized cars with attentive drivers on them, so if you plan on exploring our beautiful country, you will spend a lot of time pulling to the side or making others do so. Furthermore, you may become the recipient of acts of petty interference, as big cars are a bugbear for many people.

What baffled me when I looked up the specs is that this massive thing is classed as "mid-size SUV" :msnshock: - just how much space does a normal human need when doing the weekly shop? Grotesque. And with all the kids walking to school, I'd hate to have such a massive thing circulating, the risk of lethal impact is so much bigger than with a reasonably sized vehicle.

In summary - don't do it. Unless everyone driving the car is an absolute parking ninja and precision driver, you'll be stressed every time you take it out. And using two spots at once will see your car splashed over social media or land you with fines. Yes, I am aware that there are other big chunks of metal on the road but they are the ones I observe causing so much bother to other people. Don't be that guy (or girl).

DL21 06.04.2021 11:24

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 3292988)
The parking bays in out apartment building are the standard 2.35 metres wide for that type of parking spot, others can be narrower. Your hulk of a car is 2 metres in width, I would hate your car (and probably you, unfortunately, although you sound like a perfectly reasonable person) with the force of a thousand suns if you had the bay next to mine. If you are found to have your wheels outside of a parking spot in public, you will get fined. Someone who went to court over this was told that "it is the size of the spot and not the size of the car that defines where you can park".

More rural roads just about fit two European-sized cars with attentive drivers on them, so if you plan on exploring our beautiful country, you will spend a lot of time pulling to the side or making others do so. Furthermore, you may become the recipient of acts of petty interference, as big cars are a bugbear for many people.

What baffled me when I looked up the specs is that this massive thing is classed as "mid-size SUV" :msnshock: - just how much space does a normal human need when doing the weekly shop? Grotesque. And with all the kids walking to school, I'd hate to have such a massive thing circulating, the risk of lethal impact is so much bigger than with a reasonably sized vehicle.

In summary - don't do it. Unless everyone driving the car is an absolute parking ninja and precision driver, you'll be stressed every time you take it out. And using two spots at once will see your car splashed over social media or land you with fines. Yes, I am aware that there are other big chunks of metal on the road but they are the ones I observe causing so much bother to other people. Don't be that guy (or girl).

hilarious. well written. bravo.

of course if it was a 2m wide Taycan nobody would mind. because that's a far more swiss car!

st2lemans 06.04.2021 12:55

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293025)
hilarious. well written. bravo.

of course if it was a 2m wide Taycan nobody would mind. because that's a far more swiss car!

We have a 2001 Ford Maverick (Escape in the US) which is a SMALL SUV (and still quite large)! :eek:

Alas, we sometimes need the 4wd, ground clearance and towbar (rustico at end of a forest road, OK when dry for normal cars, mud or snow need the Maverick or the Panda 4x4 (the Panda is a MICRO SUV, seats 5 and goes anywhere, but has less ground clearnce than the Maverick)

Tom

Axa 06.04.2021 13:25

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293025)
hilarious. well written. bravo.

of course if it was a 2m wide Taycan nobody would mind. because that's a far more swiss car!

I don't have a Taycan but I'm surprised at how my local car understands local parkings. The door has 3 predefined opening positions where it more or less locks in place. The first one stops 3-4 cm away from touching the other car in narrow parking places. The second door position yields the same outcome for larger parking places. The 3rd door position which should be more comfortable, I don't even use it. Well, only when vacuum cleaning the car.

I think there's some standard in car parking width and car manufacturers just made the door stop according to these widths.

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 13:44

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I've seen many drivers of small cars experience great difficulty in pulling into a parking spot straight, let alone not being too close to a line, and spatial awareness on roads is confounding for some so this is not an issue limited to drivers with larger vehicles.

And I still cannot figure out why so many Swiss like to back-up into a spot when they will need to load their goods into the trunk / boot (but I digress).

We imported our Honda from the US without much hassle in cost, getting registered, insured or in getting repairs done. Yeah, it probably costs more for parts and parking can sometimes be difficult, but the car was quite new and fully paid so financially it made sense for us and we don't regret it.

The OP needs to figure out what makes sense for them.

bokabil 06.04.2021 14:10

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293100)
And I still cannot figure out why so many Swiss like to back-up into a spot when they will need to load their goods into the trunk / boot (but I digress).

I'm not Swiss but I always reverse-park. Why, because I can. And it allows me to better center my car on the spot and be a considerate person. I can see the lines on the mirror and better maneuverability. If I need to load grocery bags, we'll I have hands for that, plus I'm not lazy.

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 14:50

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Originally Posted by bokabil (Post 3293117)
I'm not Swiss but I always reverse-park. Why, because I can. And it allows me to better center my car on the spot and be a considerate person. I can see the lines on the mirror and better maneuverability. If I need to load grocery bags, we'll I have hands for that, plus I'm not lazy.

Not sure how reverse-parking makes you a considerate person? Parking head-in I can see the lines and can maneuver pretty easily between cars and lines to center it.

In any case, you'd still need to open the trunk / boot to load your groceries so not a question of laziness. To me, it's more practical to do so when your cart / trolley is in the a wider space of an aisle between rows of parking spots than the few centimeters between cars in front-to-front spots.

DL21 06.04.2021 15:32

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293155)
Not sure how reverse-parking makes you a considerate person? Parking head-in I can see the lines and can maneuver pretty easily between cars and lines to center it.

In any case, you'd still need to open the trunk / boot to load your groceries so not a question of laziness. To me, it's more practical to do so when your cart / trolley is in the a wider space of an aisle between rows of parking spots than the few centimeters between cars in front-to-front spots.

nope. reverse parking is much easier - can be done in one movement. forward parking needs either some back and forth or masses of swing space due to the fact the front wheels steer and the backs get dragged along.

every time you see one of those diagonally parked cars with the wheels left on full lock (usually with italian plates) it is always forward parked.

MusicChick 06.04.2021 16:18

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293180)
nope. reverse parking is much easier - can be done in one movement.

I don't think I'll ever get there.

I mean, I got other fab one movement wonders, but this ain't it. :eek: :D

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 16:33

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293180)
nope. reverse parking is much easier - can be done in one movement. forward parking needs either some back and forth or masses of swing space due to the fact the front wheels steer and the backs get dragged along.

every time you see one of those diagonally parked cars with the wheels left on full lock (usually with italian plates) it is always forward parked.


nope. reverse parking is harder and at least equal if not more steps. You need to go past the spot, put the car in reverse, look in your mirrors and then maneuver backwards into a spot may be between two cars and then also straighten yourself out. Heads-in requires a swing, but one fluid movement in the direction of travel with also some straightening as needed.


Also seen reverse parkers nowhere near the center of the spot.

robBob 06.04.2021 16:56

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293199)
nope. reverse parking is harder and at least equal if not more steps. You need to go past the spot, put the car in reverse, look in your mirrors and then maneuver backwards into a spot may be between two cars and then also straighten yourself out. Heads-in requires a swing, but one fluid movement in the direction of travel with also some straightening as needed.


Also seen reverse parkers nowhere near the center of the spot.

Ain't got auto park?
https://youtu.be/U91Zp9wWS30

DL21 06.04.2021 17:10

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293199)
nope. reverse parking is harder and at least equal if not more steps. You need to go past the spot, put the car in reverse, look in your mirrors and then maneuver backwards into a spot may be between two cars and then also straighten yourself out. Heads-in requires a swing, but one fluid movement in the direction of travel with also some straightening as needed.


Also seen reverse parkers nowhere near the center of the spot.

if you have enough space to swing in forward with the rear wheels in the correct place, then the whole point is moot. sadly that is rarely the case.

sorry i don't count either driving past the space or looking into mirror as 'steps' in this case.

MusicChick 06.04.2021 17:12

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Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3293208)
Ain't got auto park?
https://youtu.be/U91Zp9wWS30



I didn't know watching somebody park was a thing.

gjfuzzy 06.04.2021 17:51

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293212)

sorry i don't count either driving past the space or looking into mirror as 'steps' in this case.

Then there are at least equal steps and we can disagree on which method is easier.

I will continue to wonder why the reverse-in, especially in parking lots with head-to-head spots where you likely will need to access the trunk / boot for whatever stuff was purchased and the head-in car will leave you little room for the reverse-in car to do so :)

Enough tangents on this thread for the poor OP!:D

DL21 06.04.2021 18:02

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Originally Posted by gjfuzzy (Post 3293233)
Then there are at least equal steps and we can disagree on which method is easier.

I will continue to wonder why the reverse-in, especially in parking lots with head-to-head spots where you likely will need to access the trunk / boot for whatever stuff was purchased and the head-in car will leave you little room for the reverse-in car to do so :)

Enough tangents on this thread for the poor OP!:D

head to head spots are completely impossible to drive in forward without a ton of back and forth! unless you drive a rear steer articulated dump truck. they are basically the same as parallel parking on the street. surely you wouldn't attempt to do that front first? or do you just mount the kerb with abandon? if driving backwards is such a challenge, what do you do when you meet an oncoming car on a single track road? refuse to reverse even if there is a passing space right behind you? i think i've come across your type. especially during holiday periods. we call you 'schone panoramas'....

in any case the trunk/boot in my car is in the front.....

pilatus1 06.04.2021 18:30

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Originally Posted by DL21 (Post 3293238)
if driving backwards is such a challenge, what do you do when you meet an oncoming car on a single track road? refuse to reverse even if there is a passing space right behind you?

A few weekends ago i was out for a hike and stopped to eat lunch at a scenic spot. I watched as a car started from a parking lot down a single lane road traversing a steep hillside, but only went about 15 meters before a wide delivery truck came around the next bend in the opposite direction. The car stopped and hesitated for a while, staring at the truck like a deer caught in headlights, before finally conceding and putting it into reverse. Unfortunately, they must have never tried this before. Despite 4 or 5 attempts, they kept backing up into the scrubby grass on the edge of the road - then pulling forward again into the middle. In the meantime, several other cars had arrived and seen that they had to make room for the reversing car, and for the truck, and had reversed themselves back into the parking lot. It was taking the unable-to-reverse driver so long to move, that these cars were now blocking the access road to the nearby hotel and a small traffic jam developed, along with a small crowd of people who were taking in the spectacle (and laughing quite hysterically at the absurdity of it all, as was I).

The driver just happened to be a blonde woman in a BMW with Aargau plates.


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