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Bicycling rules

Any biking major biking rules to watch out for? (biking, not talking about bike related rules on public transit or whatever)

I have a couple main questions:

1. I sometimes bike in the "wrong" direction inside the yellow dashed boundary. As in, on the left side. So cars are oncoming, and if another cyclist or whatever came we would cross paths. But the place I've done this has ample room and low traffic, no intersections... It seems (honestly) perfectly safe. But would like to know the official rule

2. I assume when on the road in an uncontrolled intersection where priority-to-the-right would apply, the same applies to you on the bicycle. In practice what has happened for me is cars will often just yield. And I instinctively maybe have some momentum going and maybe it's downhill a bit so I gladly accept their yield. Again doesn't feel like anything dangerous to me or which would endanger others, but would like to know the rule
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1. I sometimes bike in the "wrong" direction inside the yellow dashed boundary.
This is monumentally stupid. Bikes basically have to follow the same rules as cars. I can imagine so many ways in which you would end up a stain on a car's windscreen.

Just don't do it. This one isn't even about rules, more about common sense and survival
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Re: Bicycling rules

Road rules apply to everybody.

Just because somebody is nice and yields (I sometimes do as well, especially when I see bikers not even slowing down) does not mean it's a right.

Just respect the rules please.
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Following on from your thread about "yielding" a couple of months ago I can't help but suggest that you buy a copy of the Swiss Highway Code and refrain from using any form of wheeled vehicle until you've read and absorbed its contents.
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Following on from your thread about "yielding" a couple of months ago I can't help but suggest that you buy a copy of the Swiss Highway Code and refrain from using any form of wheeled vehicle until you've read and absorbed its contents.
The code is also available online. Pro Velo Suisse makes a compilation of all relevant rules for cyclists, link to the Swiss Traffic law at the bottom

https://www.pro-velo.ch/fr/themes/se...afic-cycliste/

Personally, pedaling is much less effort than walking. So, riding the bike around the block to avoid going in the opposite direction of traffic. No major prob. Also, if too much people walking around, better dismount and walk pushing the bike. It's going to be 50-100m, not more.

These things are not required by law, but can save a lot of trouble. If I'm going to crash, I prefer it to be in the mountain going downhill and with a full-face helmet. Already seen some friends crash with pedestrians and end up with a broken collar bone for the slowest crash.
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Following on from your thread about "yielding" a couple of months ago I can't help but suggest that you buy a copy of the Swiss Highway Code and refrain from using any form of wheeled vehicle until you've read and absorbed its contents.
This.

Then take half a dozen car driving lessons, OP. Seriously.
Causing an accident and being at fault easily costs far more, plus may well do serious harm.
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Re: Bicycling rules

A comment based on the OP's second point: if someone is kind enough to yield to you at a junction, then good for you, as for any other road user. As a cyclist, however, it's advisable to be extra sure before you cross the path of a motorist, e.g. by making definite eye contact with them. It would be easy to misread the situation at a moment's glance and end up getting hurt.
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I quizzed the Versoix authorities about the meaning and it's apparently all about the distinction between "piste cyclable" and "bande cyclable", and the end of one and the beginning of the other. I'm not going to try and translate and explain, because it's the sort of thing that can only make sense to a lawyer and is incomprehensible to a poor cyclist who got confronted with this nonsense.
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Re: Bicycling rules

Rules say, that cyclists have to abide by the general road traffic regulations. In another words anything you wouldn't do driving a car you shouldn't do on a bicycle. Or place "can" and "may" instead of "would" and "should", if we are talking from a strict law perspective.

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1. I sometimes bike in the "wrong" direction inside the yellow dashed boundary. As in, on the left side. So cars are oncoming, and if another cyclist or whatever came we would cross paths. But the place I've done this has ample room and low traffic, no intersections... It seems (honestly) perfectly safe. But would like to know the official rule
It is wrong. This is definitely not a good idea for many reasons, although it may feel safe for you. Other drivers will have to adjust to your presence where it is not allowed or expected, people not looking in your direction running or crossing the street, it may puzzle other drivers and therefore cause an accident.


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2. I assume when on the road in an uncontrolled intersection where priority-to-the-right would apply, the same applies to you on the bicycle. In practice what has happened for me is cars will often just yield. And I instinctively maybe have some momentum going and maybe it's downhill a bit so I gladly accept their yield. Again doesn't feel like anything dangerous to me or which would endanger others, but would like to know the rule
They may come to a full stop, because they may see you approaching the intersection without slowing down, so they just do not want to harm you and that is why they give you way.

On the other hand, if you show a proper slowing down (meaning your dynamics is as such you will stop before the stop line, not just slow down to give the other driver 2 seconds to cross the intersection before you will be on it), or if you are going uphill and continue pedaling, then the other driver giving you way is his own deliberate action and just a nice gesture towards you, so it is perfectly fine to take advantage of it.
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Rules say, that cyclists have to abide by the general road traffic regulations. In another words anything you wouldn't do driving a car you shouldn't do on a bicycle. Or place "can" and "may" instead of "would" and "should", if we are talking from a strict law perspective.



It is wrong. This is definitely not a good idea for many reasons, although it may feel safe for you. Other drivers will have to adjust to your presence where it is not allowed or expected, people not looking in your direction running or crossing the street, it may puzzle other drivers and therefore cause an accident.
This is incorrect and if you drive a car you should be aware that cyclists might come in the opposite direction. Especially in smaller communal streets cyclists are allowed to ride in either direction. It is legal if the street is marked with the following sign:

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It is wrong. This is definitely not a good idea for many reasons, although it may feel safe for you. Other drivers will have to adjust to your presence where it is not allowed or expected, people not looking in your direction running or crossing the street, it may puzzle other drivers and therefore cause an accident.
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This is incorrect and if you drive a car you should be aware that cyclists might come in the opposite direction
No, you absolutely should not.

The reason for the sign you posted (and couldn't you find a smaller picture please?) is to make motorists aware of exceptions to the rule, where a cycle lane specifically tells cyclists to go in that direction. It is by no means normal and in the absence of such signing cycles should _always_ go only in the same direction as other traffic on the same part of the road.
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No, you absolutely should not.

The reason for the sign you posted (and couldn't you find a smaller picture please?) is to make motorists aware of exceptions to the rule, where a cycle lane specifically tells cyclists to go in that direction. It is by no means normal and in the absence of such signing cycles should _always_ go only in the same direction as other traffic on the same part of the road.
It is not an exception to the rule, it is the rule. The sign is for the cyclist allowing him to ride in the opposite direction. And you will find these signs everywhere in a city like Zurich. It is an official policiy that cyclist may ride in either direction of a one way street:https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassens...nd-in-kreiseln
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It is not an exception to the rule, it is the rule.
I's a local rule, only valid where the signs say so, that is an exception to the general rule. And it's not at all common, although yes, I've seen similar when cycling in cities.

If you ride like this on all roads you're asking for trouble - it's neither legal nor safe.
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This is incorrect and if you drive a car you should be aware that cyclists might come in the opposite direction. Especially in smaller communal streets cyclists are allowed to ride in either direction. It is legal if the street is marked with the following sign:

This is an incorrect interpretation of my words. My phrase by no mean implies, that if some rule is applied to one type of vehicle it is automatically applied to another. You don't drive a car, where it is not allowed by street signs, and you don't drive a bicycle where it is not allowed by street signs.

This sign shows, that some vehicle types are excluded from its regulation (such as bicycles). This information is also accessible by car drivers entering this street from another direction and they will be aware, that there may be bicycle driving towards them. But the OP didn't mention any such signage in his initial post, so the answer was about the general rules.
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This is an incorrect interpretation of my words. My phrase by no mean implies, that if some rule is applied to one type of vehicle it is automatically applied to another. You don't drive a car, where it is not allowed by street signs, and you don't drive a bicycle where it is not allowed by street signs.

This sign shows, that some vehicle types are excluded from its regulation (such as bicycles). This information is also accessible by car drivers entering this street from another direction and they will be aware, that there may be bicycle driving towards them. But the OP didn't mention any such signage in his initial post, so the answer was about the general rules.
Yes, you're right. I can see your point.
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This is incorrect and if you drive a car you should be aware that cyclists might come in the opposite direction. Especially in smaller communal streets cyclists are allowed to ride in either direction. It is legal if the street is marked with the following sign:
That isn't what the OP was talking about, though. When you ride a bike against traffic on a one-way street where it is allowed, you still ride on the right side of the street from your perspective. OP explicitly talks of not so much being in the "wrong" direction, but riding left, i.e. on the wrong side of the street! Not only into incoming car traffic but also bicycle traffic

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1. I sometimes bike in the "wrong" direction inside the yellow dashed boundary. As in, on the left side.
To the OP, as someone who had a major frontal collision with another cyclist because they were riding on the wrong side of the street when I turned a tight corner, please, please, don't do that. It doesn't matter that it looks safe or the street is "generally" low traffic. I only takes one time where the other cyclist doesn't see you for whatever reason (turning a corner, a cyclist overtaking another cyclist, etc) and you've created a very dangerous collision. Even if you don't cause an accident, you force others to do things they shouldn't have to do and cause frustration. Would you drive your car on the wrong side of the road because "that road isn't really busy and it's usually safe"? Of course not. Don't do it.

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2. I assume when on the road in an uncontrolled intersection where priority-to-the-right would apply, the same applies to you on the bicycle. In practice what has happened for me is cars will often just yield. And I instinctively maybe have some momentum going and maybe it's downhill a bit so I gladly accept their yield. Again doesn't feel like anything dangerous to me or which would endanger others, but would like to know the rule
Yes priority rules apply to you.

If you meant the car is on your left and they yield, yes, that's what they're supposed to do. As a cyclist it's obviously not a bad idea to make eye contact and make sure they've seen you and will follow the rule. But yes, in principle, you have priority and you should assert it.

If you meant the car is on your right, then no, you don't have priority. Cars often yield, but don't rely on it, and you should always plan to stop.

Cars yielding is a big pet peeve of mine actually. When they see you well in advance, stop completely, look to make eye contact and a yielding gesture way before you get to the intersection, then yeah sure, thank you I appreciate it, I'll keep my momentum. But three out of four times, they just ambivalently slow down with no clear indication that they're yielding and only make a gesture (if they make one at all) when I'm already geared down and braking or completely stopped, and it ends up with everyone losing time. By the time I've gotten back up to speed and crossed the intersection, we both could have crossed had they not yielded.
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Re: Bicycling rules

People should not yield their priority and others should not accept their yield. I can think of many different cases where yielding to "be nice" can be extremely dangerous and lead to a serious accident. The first ones that come to mind are:

- Traffic behind the vehicle that yields, does not expect - obviously - their yielding.

- another vehicle (car, bike, bicycle, whatever), on the lane next to the yielding vehicle, takes advantage of their priority and cross the intersection...

I personally do not accept their "kind" yielding and insist on them advancing.

The same goes for pedestrian crossings. Some pedestrians yield their priority, but another pedestrian from the same or opposite side of the crossing, might not notice and cross at the same time the car advances...

Traffic rules are to be obeyed, for the safety of everyone. By yielding priority, one disobeys the rules and creates unsafe traffic situations. Period.
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I recently was about to make a right turn at a light controlled intersection in downtown Zurich when at the last moment I was cut off by a skateboarder who passed me on the right in the bike lane. Afterwards it got me wondering who had the right of way. Is it still correct that if the light is green one has the right of way to turn right? Or is there a new rule that warning detectors are now required on a car's blind spot?
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