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Subject of the thread says it all? The lease to our X1 is coming to end and its time to decide if we replace it with a hybrid [BMW Xi] or simply pay off the money remaining and hang on to it for a while longer.

I would love to change cause I think it better for the environment and maybe I can save running costs although I am very unsure.

Surely the service costs of hybrid cars are higher than purebred electric cars or petrol/diesel cars?

Are there some hybrid EV drivers out there who can advise? Do hybrid EV really make sense?
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I would love to change cause I think it better for the environment
IMO, keeping your X1 and running it to the ground is better for the environment.
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Re: hybrid engines maintenance costs

This BMW iX is not a hybrid but fully electric. I would assume that the maintenance costs will be much lower than a conventional engine as you don't need to change oil etc.
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Re: hybrid engines maintenance costs

Better for the environment? Keep the current one.

Saving on operation costs? A plug-in hybrid may bring the gas consumption to zero for short-distance errands.

Maybe if you buy a 200K km hybrid there could be higher costs. But, a new one under warranty that covers parts and labor (except for oils and brake pads)? I don't see where the extra costs can come from.
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Re: hybrid engines maintenance costs

The is virtually no service costs with an EV.

I imagine a hybrid is the same an ICE BMW, if not a bit more.

Problem with Hybrids is you are either pulling a battery pack and burning extra petrol, or running on battery and pulling an ICE engine around.

You also have to remember to charge the hybrid...
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I would love to change cause I think it better for the environment and maybe I can save running costs although I am very unsure.
Might want to think twice about that. Precious metals are needed requiring mining and pollution from it in 3rd world countries. And now they want to mine the oceans.

https://therevelator.org/ev-batteries-seabed-mining/
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Surely the service costs of hybrid cars are higher than purebred electric cars or petrol/diesel cars?

Are there some hybrid EV drivers out there who can advise? Do hybrid EV really make sense?
Not accurate, at all

I've had 3 Priuses over last 20 years and all I ever did was change the oil regularly. Never a battery issue either
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The EVs are a hogwash in my opinion. No one talks about how all the material required is mined nor talks about any of the abuses the countries face.
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Re: hybrid engines maintenance costs

I drive a plug-in hybrid, and nearly all of my driving is done on electric. On this basis alone, there is a considerable savings in terms of fuel consumption vs. a conventional vehicle.

In a 'normal' year, servicing is around CHF300 for the overall inspection, oil change, and air/cabin filters. Since the car has regenerative braking, in 60k km, I haven't needed to change the brake disks or pads yet. Every 4-5 years there is the 'big' service which includes replacing the battery cooling fluid -- this service was around CHF700. Otherwise, the only other maintenance items to worry about are tyres.

For every 10'000km I drive in a year, I'd estimate that less than 500km is on the petrol engine, so it gets virtually no wear-and-tear. On the electric side, things are very simple and (touch wood) I've had nothing outside of scheduled maintenance.

If your driving habits are such that you can do most of your miles on electricity, a hybrid can make good sense.
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Old 27.04.2021, 11:23
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I drive a plug-in hybrid, and nearly all of my driving is done on electric. On this basis alone, there is a considerable savings in terms of fuel consumption vs. a conventional vehicle.

In a 'normal' year, servicing is around CHF300 for the overall inspection, oil change, and air/cabin filters. Since the car has regenerative braking, in 60k km, I haven't needed to change the brake disks or pads yet. Every 4-5 years there is the 'big' service which includes replacing the battery cooling fluid -- this service was around CHF700. Otherwise, the only other maintenance items to worry about are tyres.

For every 10'000km I drive in a year, I'd estimate that less than 500km is on the petrol engine, so it gets virtually no wear-and-tear. On the electric side, things are very simple and (touch wood) I've had nothing outside of scheduled maintenance.

If your driving habits are such that you can do most of your miles on electricity, a hybrid can make good sense.
What kind of car you got that it needs battery cooling fluid? Is that something that all hybrids have? 700 seems pretty pricy for such a fluid replacement! What max range do you normally drive?
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Re: hybrid engines maintenance costs

yeah, right... and for your ICE car you get the petrol and oil from a spring stream?

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Re: hybrid engines maintenance costs

Abandon it all for sake of environment and overcrowded streets and motorways, use bicycle and public transport (only valid during non pandemic era)

But if you wanna be more of a hypocrite, then buy Tesla with bitcoins.

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You stick with your horse and you‘ll be fine...
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Re: hybrid engines maintenance costs

Thanks for all your replies, living in the mountains, so we'll be picking up a good a charge I guess each time we go down to the valley... but need to trade that off against the fact that it is cold here and the batteries might lose more power more quickly in the [more frequent] subzero temperatures.

Several of you mentioned running the X1 into the ground is the most environmental friendly option, seems like the most sensible one too since it is just under 4 years old still and plenty of running left in it I guess.
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What kind of car you got that it needs battery cooling fluid? Is that something that all hybrids have? 700 seems pretty pricy for such a fluid replacement! What max range do you normally drive?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Voltec_powertrain

It's a trade-off, really. More sophisticated battery temperature control = extra cost and additional maintenance, but better battery life. The Voltec system also doesn't use the full range of the battery, which also extends battery life. Most owners report that their cars still have the full range that they had when they were new, even though the oldest of the Volts are now approaching 9 years old. Compare that to a less-sophisticated battery management system, like early Nissan Leafs, where you'll often see range diminished by 30% after just 4-5 years.

The 700 includes the cost of the regular service annual service as well, and you have to remember that this is at Swiss prices.
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It's a trade-off, really. More sophisticated battery temperature control = extra cost and additional maintenance, but better battery life. The Voltec system also doesn't use the full range of the battery, which also extends battery life. Most owners report that their cars still have the full range that they had when they were new, even though the oldest of the Volts are now approaching 9 years old. Compare that to a less-sophisticated battery management system, like early Nissan Leafs, where you'll often see range diminished by 30% after just 4-5 years.

The 700 includes the cost of the regular service annual service as well, and you have to remember that this is at Swiss prices.
Good to know. Now it makes sense. Thanks! Wonder how old Teslas and Priuses are holding up in comparison?
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Thanks for all your replies, living in the mountains, so we'll be picking up a good a charge I guess each time we go down to the valley... but need to trade that off against the fact that it is cold here and the batteries might lose more power more quickly in the [more frequent] subzero temperatures.

Several of you mentioned running the X1 into the ground is the most environmental friendly option, seems like the most sensible one too since it is just under 4 years old still and plenty of running left in it I guess.
Don't be deceived by regeneration braking and running down hill, you will never get back anything like what you used going uphill.

As a very rough guide if you use say 30% of your charge going up, you get back about 8% coming down the same route on full re-gen and little or no call on power...
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Good to know. Now it makes sense. Thanks! Wonder how old Teslas and Priuses are holding up in comparison?
You can't really compare the two.

Priuses (Prii?) have much smaller batteries - that are thus both aging faster and much cheaper to replace at the same time.

The also used to have very simple, naturally aspirated ICEs, which helped these cars going for so long with little or no maintenance.

Teslas have much more battery cells, and there's an assumed capacity loss of a couple of percent every year (most dramatic in the beginning, then plateauing).
But they have no ICE engine at all, no fuel, no oil, no gearbox. What isn't there cannot break...

Rust might develop, though and that might do in the cars earlier than some people think. Especially, as the body is a mix of steel and aluminum.

The drive train of the Model 3 itself is rated for 1 million miles ("Robo Taxi") - according to a tweet by Elon Musk, I don't think you'll find that value in the papers...

The Tesla warranty is for the car to keep 70% of its initial capacity in the first 8 years or 192000km (Model 3+Y LR+P), 240k km for S+X.

https://www.tesla.com/de_CH/support/vehicle-warranty

Here's somebody with 100k miles:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...del_3/guhurqu/


Likely, the battery will age almost as much whether you actually drive a lot or let it sit in the garage.


I second the opinion that it's best to drive your current ICE as long as you want and it's economical for you to do so.
Lawmakers will make it painful to drive an ICE soon enough anyway.
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