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Selling car to another country

I am selling my car. I've been contacted by a potential buyer - a car salesman from abroad. We've had a short email exchange in which I shared some additional photos on his request, answered background questions etc - so far so good. In his last email he agreed to my price and proposed the following sales process (quote):


“Thаt sаid fоr thе раymеnt, I suggеst thе bаnk trаnsfеr.

I аm in ... (а city in Mаghrеb) but аftеr раymеnt, I will оrgаnizе thе trаnsроrt оf thе cаr by my оwn mеаns, including custоms аnd trаnsроrt cоsts which аrе аlsо my rеsроnsibility.

Thе rеcоvеry оf thе cаr will bе dоnе аftеr thе trаnsfеr tо yоur аccоunt.
аs sооn аs yоu hаvе rеcеivеd аll thе mоnеy in yоur аccоunt, wе will sеt а dаtе tо cоllеct thе cаr frоm yоur аddrеss.I wоuld thеrеfоrе givе yоu thе idеntity оf thе cаrriеr аftеr раymеnt sо thаt thе dеlivеry оf thе cаr gоеs аs smооthly аs роssiblе.

If wе аgrее, I will рut yоu in cоntаct with my cаrriеr whеn thе trаnsfеr is cоmрlеtе.Hе will thеrеfоrе cоmе tо yоur hоmе аnd tаkе thе cаr by trаilеr truck.

I hаvе bееn wоrking this wаy fоr 4 yеаrs thаt I hаvе bееn dоing this jоb аnd I hаvе nеvеr hаd а рrоblеm during my trаnsаctiоns, еsреciаlly with Switzеrlаnd.Yоu cаn think оf mе аs аn individuаl bеcаusе I buy thе cаr in my оwn nаmе.

If yоu guаrаntее mе thаt thе cаr is in реrfеct cоnditiоn аnd if yоu аgrее tо sign а wеll-dеfinеd аUTоSCоUT sаlеs cоntrаct thеn еvеrything is оK fоr mе
I will sеnd yоu thе cоntrаct if yоu wish.Yоu will cоmрlеtе аnd sign thе cоntrаct аccоrding tо yоur cоnditiоns thеn yоu will sеnd mе а cорy. Yоu аrе thе sеllеr. Yоu hаvе tо аsk yоur tеrms оf sаlе аnd I will fоllоw.

I lеаvе yоu а рhоtо оf my раssроrt fоr clаrity bеcаusе trust is imроrtаnt fоr аny cоllаbоrаtiоn.”


QUESTION: can someone see how this could be a scam? If the car changes hands AFTER the payment has reached my account, can something still go wrong?
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Re: Selling car to another country

Ask for cash payment at handover. If the car will be picked up anyway, there should be no need for a bank transfer.
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Re: Selling car to another country

Is there actually something like an "аUTоSCоUT sаlеs cоntrаct"? (This alone makes the deal stink, but ...)

If it were me I'd prepare a contract that says

I (your name) am selling this car (defined) "as is, where is", to the seller (his name) for CHF x.xx.

Only give him the carte gris after you have the money. Don't accept any excuses and be prepared to walk away.

You might want to tell him you want cash in hand, and see what his reaction is.
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Is there actually something like an "аUTоSCоUT sаlеs cоntrаct"? (This alone makes the deal stink, but ...)
yes, there is.
https://cms.autoscout24.ch/media/100..._fahrzeuge.pdf
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Re: Selling car to another country

Could be a “bait and switch” tactic.

Looks legit to begin with then once he gets you hooked he changes the story.

Which city / country in the Maghreb is he in?

What’s the value of the car?
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Re: Selling car to another country

Could you please elaborate on how this could possibly happen?

Suppose the money is on my account (before it is nothing happens).
Then the courier arrives with a trailer to pick up the car...
we go to the police to cancel the grey card...
I take off the plates from the car...
He loads up the car and leaves...
On which stage can he change the story?


PS Value of the car is ~20K, nothing extraordinary.
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Re: Selling car to another country

The question you should ask yourself is why someone located in Maghreb would buy a car like that. Why would the courier not have a look at the car and buy in cash?

Seriously, all scam bells are ringing.
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Re: Selling car to another country

UPDATE: he doesn't want to pay cash


"Good evening, the carrier is not allowed to transport money in cash. It's against their rules. For payment only by bank transfer. Thank you for your understanding"


Starting to think that this is indeed a scam...Although still don't get the mechanics of it.
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"Good evening, the carrier is not allowed to transport money in cash. It's against their rules. For payment only by bank transfer. Thank you for your understanding"


Starting to think that this is indeed a scam...Although still don't get the mechanics of it.
Reply telling him that it is against your rules not to accept cash.

This is a Scam.
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The question you should ask yourself is why someone located in Maghreb would buy a car like that. Why would the courier not have a look at the car and buy in cash?

Seriously, all scam bells are ringing.

The first question is not strange: a lot of used cars are sold from Europe to Russia, Africa, Maghreb and places like that.


The other two are indeed more strange, and I can't answer them. So you might be right, I start smelling trouble too.
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Re: Selling car to another country

Ask the buyer for a Western Union transfer. He'll give you a code and you go to a WU counter with some ID, give the code and get the cash. Completely irreversible.
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Could you please elaborate on how this could possibly happen?

Suppose the money is on my account (before it is nothing happens).
Then the courier arrives with a trailer to pick up the car...
we go to the police to cancel the grey card...
I take off the plates from the car...
He loads up the car and leaves...
On which stage can he change the story?


PS Value of the car is ~20K, nothing extraordinary.
Transfers can be reversed.
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Re: Selling car to another country

Have a look here.

https://www.dmv.org/buy-sell/selling...s-to-avoid.php

Anything sound familiar?
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Ask the buyer for a Western Union transfer. He'll give you a code and you go to a WU counter with some ID, give the code and get the cash. Completely irreversible.

Could've been a good idea, but I checked, and WU has a limit of CHF 5,500 when transferring from Switzerland. I am sure there is a similar limit in place when transferring from other countries.

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Nobody pays 20,000 for a car without seeing it first...
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...also can you check from the email headers where the emails are coming from??
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...also can you check from the email headers where the emails are coming from??

Probably you are right.
The emails are coming from a gmail account...
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QUESTION: can someone see how this could be a scam? If the car changes hands AFTER the payment has reached my account, can something still go wrong?
The way I read your description he wants the signed contract before the transfer. An alternative might be to get you to pay the driver some fee to "allow" him pick up your car.

Another thing I've recently seen is quite elaborate, and in a sense admirable in its elaborateness. See this video (strongly recommended viewing for literally everybody). Basically, they get you to believe that they transferred too much, and get you to return the balance in cash to a mule's temporary AirBnB address, who then transfers the money abroad.
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Re: Selling car to another country

UPDATE: It is very likely a scam.

When I offered him to pay cash, he got irritated
When I suggested Western Union, he stopped answering.
Most likely he has some way of reverting the bank transfer.
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UPDATE: It is very likely a scam.
No, it is DEFINITELY a scam.

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