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Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

First off, it is ages since I got any kind of fine, let alone a speeding fine. I drive the A3 from Schwyz to Zurich often and it is 120km/h region Richterswil <-> Horgen. However, this time they had an orange marking no idea why. There was no 80km/h sign anywhere whatsoever.

I am driving a BMW with driving assist professional plus and it automatically switched from 120km/h to 85km/h i.e. 80 + some safe margin. I thought it was an error from the car and annoyed raised the speed to 100km/h, a few seconds later got flashed

There were no 80km/h limit signs anywhere ... how come!? how did my car knew and I didn't? Anyways, expecting a fine between 180.- and 260.- that's a romantic dinner for two at Wolfbach Restaurant right there gone with the wind
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Old 22.05.2021, 22:15
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First off, it is ages since I got any kind of fine, let alone a speeding fine. I drive the A3 from Schwyz to Zurich often and it is 120km/h region Richterswil <-> Horgen. However, this time they had an orange marking no idea why. There was no 80km/h sign anywhere whatsoever.

I am driving a BMW with driving assist professional plus and it automatically switched from 120km/h to 85km/h i.e. 80 + some safe margin. I thought it was an error from the car and annoyed raised the speed to 100km/h, a few seconds later got flashed

There were no 80km/h limit signs anywhere ... how come!? how did my car knew and I didn't? Anyways, expecting a fine between 180.- and 260.- that's a romantic dinner for two at Wolfbach Restaurant right there gone with the wind
Doesn't the car read the speed limits from the signs? I doubt that there were no signs. Isn't that where they had the 80 zone for months now because of some roadworks?
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Old 22.05.2021, 22:18
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Doesn't the car read the speed limits from the signs? I doubt that there were no signs. Isn't that where they had the 80 zone for months now because of some roadworks?
I thought this to be the case ... does the orange road marking implies a speed limit?
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Old 22.05.2021, 22:31
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

Maybe you should look at your phone less while driving. This zone above Horgen has been there for probably a year. You claim you drive there often and have never realized?
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I thought this to be the case ... does the orange road marking implies a speed limit?
it's usually 80 if there are orange markings, yes. if the car saw it it's possible you missed it.
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Maybe you should look at your phone less while driving. This zone above Horgen has been there for probably a year. You claim you drive there often and have never realized?
I wasn't looking at my phone.
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was this at Horgen? Speed limit is very clearly indicated.
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.....I am driving a BMW with driving assist professional plus and it automatically switched from 120km/h to 85km/h i.e. 80 + some safe margin. I thought it was an error from the car and annoyed raised the speed to 100km/h, a few seconds later got flashed
I feel for you, you must be peeved!
But it was so obviously your own fault that I guess, you'll just have to blush and pay.
And it might be worth to trust your car on this matter from now on.
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

The orange markings indicate temporary lanes and are commonly seen wherever there are roadworks.
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First off, it is ages since I got any kind of fine, let alone a speeding fine. I drive the A3 from Schwyz to Zurich often and it is 120km/h region Richterswil <-> Horgen. However, this time they had an orange marking no idea why. There was no 80km/h sign anywhere whatsoever.

I am driving a BMW with driving assist professional plus and it automatically switched from 120km/h to 85km/h i.e. 80 + some safe margin. I thought it was an error from the car and annoyed raised the speed to 100km/h, a few seconds later got flashed

There were no 80km/h limit signs anywhere ... how come!? how did my car knew and I didn't? Anyways, expecting a fine between 180.- and 260.- that's a romantic dinner for two at Wolfbach Restaurant right there gone with the wind
I drive this route daily and yes, there is a sign. Two of them. First 100 and then 80. Every commuter ignored it for the last weeks as it is some sort of “phantom road works” with nobody working there ever. So mid last week they put up the camera. Yes, I got flashed as well.
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Old 23.05.2021, 11:50
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

Here is a warning for drivers on Swiss Motorways with roadworks, a couple of years ago they had roadworks on the A3 near Walenstadt. With the usual 80 kph limit all through the roadworks.

And then a camera 50m before the end !! Hidden behind concrete blocks.

Saw the car in front get flashed as he accelerated before the derestriction sign. So keep to the speed limit ALL through these roadworks.
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

BMW ADAS Pro can both read conventional road signs feeding their data to Adaptive Cruise Control (when enabled) and read speeds from electronic road signs (this is a transmitter module attached to a smart road sign informing electronic assistants about the sign purpose, e.g. temporary speed limits, ice on the road or an accident ahead). It may be the case, that you missed the sign due to some distraction, but the only way to say it is to check your car's front DVR. If the sign was not visible (e.g. was covered by some rug or turned away), you can argue the fine. Although, unfortunately, not recommended to push it due to abusive and punishing bureaucratic practices of StVA.

About this particular road: there are temporary signs there, but they are not in-your-face (small and surrounded by other bright-coloured objects). Exactly on this section I got not just blinked and tailgated multiple times by fellow drivers (was doing 80 in 80 zone, since I can read signs - probably felt too slow for some of them), but was even once overtaken in a solid line zone with a screaming maniac behind the wheel of a turbo-farter. Cameras appear here and there regularly for a reason, some people can't follow the rules until getting their own cold shower. You got yours relatively cheap. We are all getting a bit too careless and distracted from time to time, but a public road is not designed for that.
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If the sign was not visible (e.g. was covered by some rug or turned away), you can argue the fine. Although, unfortunately, not recommended to push it due to abusive and punishing bureaucratic practices of StVA.
Good luck with that
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The kryptonite to the speeding camera is SBB
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

If you fixed the speed to 100, and the limit is 80 what you should expect is the 11-15 km/h excess speed. Since you were on a motorway, your fine should be 120 chf. You speedometer shows more or less +4 km/h of the actual speed, and they will also deduct the radar error margin, which is about 3-4km/h depending on the type.

It could be so much worse if you didn't lower your speed to 100. This is not so bad.
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Since you were on a motorway
That may be of no effect. The federal court ruled a couple years ago that, perhaps subject to the circumstance, it's Ok to apply the non-motorway fines schedule ("ausserorts") if the limit is 80km/h or less. See this article (n/a in English).

However, it looks like this isn't applied universally. And for OP that shouldn't matter in the sense that it'll be just a fine either way, albeit higher than originally anticipated.
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

Was there this morning. The signs are there. Heading towards zurich, the 100 sign is just after the Horgen exit, and the 80 sign about 200m after it, and the camera is on the left side against the wall.

Talking about BMWs reading spead signs.. towards the end of last year I drove to work regularly and noticed that just as soon as I get into Mythenquai (heading out of Zurich) in front of the Swiss Life building, my BMW raises the speed limit from 50 to 60. There is no sign and I am sure that the limit is 50 all the way until the border to Kilchberg. I drove there multiple times in the space of a few months and could not find what is triggering the change in the speed limit detected by my car. I don't know how the speed limit reader works. Just wondering...
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Was there this morning. The signs are there. Heading towards zurich, the 100 sign is just after the Horgen exit, and the 80 sign about 200m after it, and the camera is on the left side against the wall.

Talking about BMWs reading spead signs.. towards the end of last year I drove to work regularly and noticed that just as soon as I get into Mythenquai (heading out of Zurich) in front of the Swiss Life building, my BMW raises the speed limit from 50 to 60. There is no sign and I am sure that the limit is 50 all the way until the border to Kilchberg. I drove there multiple times in the space of a few months and could not find what is triggering the change in the speed limit detected by my car. I don't know how the speed limit reader works. Just wondering...
in my VW car, which shows the limit (but I disabled all warnings and stuff because it's often wrong), it's based on saved information about the road network, if there is no sign to override it.

I know because several stretches were downgraded to 50 km/h only in recent years near me, and exactly in those places the car says 60 (e.g. when I exit from my 30 km/h road onto the main road, and there isn't an extra 50 km/h sign just for me).

The data saved in the car at least a year old when you get the car, so of course it's all wrong.

In the case of OP, the car must have seen a sign that he didn't, because the construction site is surely not a permanent fixture.

Btw, the car's automatic systems are not to be trusted anyway, as for cutting plants on highways they use really small and dirty speed limit and end of speed limit signs that the cars may not reliably detect. They don't usually have radar pistols for those either, but still.

The worst I've experienced is the behaviour of the lane holder in the gotthard tunnel. There are big arrows on the road to mark distances (not a standard thing, probably why the car can't deal with it), they get detected as lines and the lane holding system wants to throw me towards the middle. I deactivated it as it makes me nervous and I don't want to test what happens if I release the wheel and let it do its thing (maybe it will go back, or maybe do a frontal crash, who knows).
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

Yes passed by again and there was an 80km/h sign I missed and the car didn’t. Live and learn. Now the construction orange line override is gone but the camera is still there … probably they did so well that want to keep the success. Now it is checking for 100km/h but I drove at 80km/h not to risk anything 😅
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Re: Speeding camera flashed me at A3 motorway

Please do not get fined for going too slow!
And, next time, please go faster than 250 km/h. You will be invisible to the radars and, as this story tells:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/driver-...-fine/23091098
spoiler: happy ending included, please depict the interviewed mechanic as the cowboy in the Big Lebowski!
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