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Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

Who agrees with my garage that winter tyres (DOT 0611) should be replaced although tread is still 4 – 5 mm? Michelin 205/55 R 16 – obviously 10 YO.
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

I do.
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

Those tires should be crystallized by now, some water in the road may mean zero traction. Tires expire after 5-6 years after manufacture date. If you're curious ask the mechanic for a tire durometer test.

Best you can do is find an empty parking lot/industrial zone and do donuts and burnouts until they're bald
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Who agrees with my garage that winter tyres (DOT 0611) should be replaced although tread is still 4 – 5 mm? Michelin 205/55 R 16 – obviously 10 YO.
they should be replaced after 5 years. the rubber is way too hard now, so thatt they don't work in the cold anymore.
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

Just use them in summer.

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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

I'd rather check the condition than the age but it's something to consider. Mine were perfectly fine and functional at that age. Still legal but you'll have people on here screaming that it's the most dangerous thing in the world to use them.

You could use them this summer although that's also less than ideal.
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Just use them in summer.

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I wouldn’t.
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I'd rather check the condition than the age but it's something to consider. Mine were perfectly fine and functional at that age. Still legal but you'll have people on here screaming that it's the most dangerous thing in the world to use them.

You could use them this summer although that's also less than ideal.
My ones are also perfecty fine - round , black and to me - look almost like the one on TV ... F1 races - but Policemen looked like he be more fan of motocross ?
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

Never had this question before – don’t drive as much anymore – no daily all weather commute. 5- 6 years cycle seems a bit extreme to me. Would the same apply to summer tyres?

@ Tom: you seem to have quite a few bikes – how do you handle this issue? Do you replace their tyres every 5 years, irrespective of tread wear. IMO bike tyres are more important than cars – but then, I don’t drive supercars as most of you guys seem to…

Donuts aren’t my thing and I’d hate to find out what happens to winter tyres on the Italian highway in summer
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

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Just use them in summer.

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Agree. The Formula 1 pro's also drive on slicks.

I feel the need, the need for speed!
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Never had this question before – don’t drive as much anymore – no daily all weather commute. 5- 6 years cycle seems a bit extreme to me. Would the same apply to summer tyres?

Donuts aren’t my thing and I’d hate to find out what happens to winter tyres on the Italian highway in summer
Well, what's the car for? For little errands in 30-80 km/h zones? Don't worry. Also, most of cars these days have tire pressure sensors, so blowouts are very very rare. If it's for several hours on the highway, that's another story.
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

I once had a set of tires that looked fantastic, with a deep and aggressive tread. I was ready for anything! So I took the car into the mountains - got stuck in the ski lodge's parking lot. Got unstuck, went to leave - slid into a snow bank. Got out of there, decided to go somewhere else - slid into a ditch.

I finally got out of the mountains and back to the city where I asked the garage "What's wrong???" He pointed out that the tires were so old they were hard as a rock and had zero grip.

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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

10 years old winter tyres? How old is the car? Time to replace both
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I once had a set of tires that looked fantastic, with a deep and aggressive tread. I was ready for anything! So I took the car into the mountains - got stuck in the ski lodge's parking lot. Got unstuck, went to leave - slid into a snow bank. Got out of there, decided to go somewhere else - slid into a ditch.

I finally got out of the mountains and back to the city where I asked the garage "What's wrong???" He pointed out that the tires were so old they were hard as a rock and had zero grip.

So yeah, I'd replace those tires.
And if they weren't hard as rock and you didn't slide everywhere you wouldn't replace them.
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Well, what's the car for? For little errands in 30-80 km/h zones? Don't worry. Also, most of cars these days have tire pressure sensors, so blowouts are very very rare. If it's for several hours on the highway, that's another story.
Is it?
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

If you want to be sure - ask your obligatory car insurance if they'll check age of tires in case of accident you cause. If they don't care, then I can see how you might not care as well, however, you might be surprised with the answer.
Also, check with your kasko if you depend on them repairing your vehicle.

Police probably don't care much, since they're not the one paying for your damage, but they might be interested in fines.
TCS or someone might give legal advice on that, if there's something in the law about lifetime of a tire, and not just type and tread depth.
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

I had loads of trouble with a set of tires which I got for free with the second-hand car (new) a couple of years ago, the whole driving experience was wrong. Had them taken off and balanced during the season, had weights put on (don't know if you call it that in English, never needed that done before so it was an act in Swiss German ) it was and staid just crappy.

Next garage pointed out: They were from 2009 (so not new, just unused ).
Never even knew the date of birth is printed on tires before that

But to be honest, had it not been for the obvious discomfort, I would still use them. So yep, I agree with some of the others: Just to go shopping and visit the mother in-law I'd keep them on, "finish" them during summer maybe.

In fact I cancelled my tyre-change-date for beginning of June, telling my mechanic this is my protest against the crap/non-existing spring/summer. My summer tires will spend 2021 in the garage.

Guess it depends on whether you have a fancy car and/or hit the highway daily plus cruise Europe (ha! those were the days) regularly or your car is - like mine - simply a means of transportation to get from the sticks to civilization.
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

Ok... I bought a set of winter wheels for our second car two years ago. Most people don’t drive their Cabrio in the cold, so ours didn’t come with any winter tyres and I found a guy sho was selling a basically unused factory set... full tyre thread, pristine rims... for next to nothing. 8 years old Michelin sport tyres. I can tell you that for the last two years they performed flawlessly. I talked to my mechanic which I used for twenty years and who is honest to me: tyre technology has changed a lot. A high quality one won’t age as fast anymore as we all been told... because they have not much natural rubber in them. Just think of it the same way engine oil improved...
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Re: Replace 10 YO winter tyres?

The average garage has beef in the game, the more often you replace the tyres the more business they get. They will definitely tend to recommending an early replacement - not all, but most will, whether replacement is actually warranted or not.

Talking about ordinary tyres that cost 2-3-500 to replace all four: is it actually worth the risk of changing late? How would you feel if you ran over a child because of replacing them late?
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Police probably don't care much, since they're not the one paying for your damage, but they might be interested in fines.
They definitely will in case of an accident. It's the same principle as with winter tyres.
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Ok... I bought a set of winter wheels for our second car two years ago. Most people don’t drive their Cabrio in the cold, so ours didn’t come with any winter tyres and I found a guy sho was selling a basically unused factory set... full tyre thread, pristine rims... for next to nothing. 8 years old Michelin sport tyres. I can tell you that for the last two years they performed flawlessly. I talked to my mechanic which I used for twenty years and who is honest to me: tyre technology has changed a lot. A high quality one won’t age as fast anymore as we all been told... because they have not much natural rubber in them. Just think of it the same way engine oil improved...
Never had the age issue before – previously, tyres were worn out much faster. Your story got me thinking and as far as I can reconstruct w/o digging into old files, I bought the tyres in 2014 on factory rims ex my old garage as a “package”, i.e. already three years old - not the case that I’ve used them for 10 years

Have not had any handling problems, sliding into ditches etc. They are not as hard as rock and don’t flake crystals either when I lovingly caress their yielding, pungent dark surface. I agree with your belief in progress made with the materials used. That they are useless after 5 years is no longer valid. Otherwise my current mechanic would have cautioned me a lot earlier...

Thanks to all for your input. Memo to self: check DOT when buying tyres. Solution: keep summer tyres on this winter (global warming, hello!), practice burn outs spring 2022 and then refit the old winter tyres
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