Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11.06.2021, 07:56
smileygreebins's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Schwyz
Posts: 581
Groaned at 35 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 1,154 Times in 349 Posts
smileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond repute
Issue with motorcycle test drive

Am contemplating selling one of my bikes privately, and whilst I'm more than happy for any buyer to start her up and/or put up on my workshop ramps to inspect, I am loathe to pass over the keys for a test drive - she's a special edition in mint condition, and I'm loathe to let some numpty thrash her about or worse, wind up with her scraped down the road, or over the side of the mountain. I am however happy to pillion a potential buyer, albeit that isn't a comfortable experience on this beastie.

Any bikers here who have sold/bought with a "no test ride" restriction please?

Last edited by smileygreebins; 11.06.2021 at 12:37.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11.06.2021, 08:54
Ato Ato is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,883
Groaned at 26 Times in 26 Posts
Thanked 3,623 Times in 1,475 Posts
Ato has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

I quite simply woulnd't buy a bike I wasn't allowed to test ride. The offer of being pillion would have me laughing.

You know yourself that it's important to feel the shifts, feel for vibrations in the bars, feel for pulses in the brakes.

So, no test ride, you're not getting my money. If you didn't write no test ride in the add, I would probably give you a few expletives for wasting my time.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Ato for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 11.06.2021, 08:57
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 8,714
Groaned at 317 Times in 244 Posts
Thanked 20,043 Times in 6,989 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

There are always people that will buy a bike with no test ride, if the price is good, as it raises some red flags.

Seems like you're still in love with your bike. Better keep it

Last edited by k_and_e; 11.06.2021 at 09:07.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 11.06.2021, 09:10
evop's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Zürich
Posts: 238
Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 316 Times in 142 Posts
evop has earned the respect of manyevop has earned the respect of manyevop has earned the respect of many
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

0. Classic and rare private vehicles are often sold without a test drive. External and internal inspection, start an engine and maybe a slow ride around the cul-de-sac, but that's it. No experience with a bike, but my father sold his 45 y.o. car without it moving at all. A bike, usually, people want to drive, unless it is something really exclusive.
1. For any test ride, either you must have a full and unconditional casco (a very rare thing for recreational vehicles), or the potential buyer must have a sufficient insurance for any vehicle he drives. Or, if he only have insurance for personal and rented vehicles, you may be fine with a rental agreement for the test drive, but I have no idea if or how it works in Switzerland.
2. I would only let a person to test drive my vehicle, if such person arrives on a similar enough vehicle or if this person can show enough experience with and understanding of it. E.g. if someone would want to buy a sports bike from me, I would like this person coming on the closely powerful and heavy bike, or if someone would want to buy a car from me, but comes on BMW in a BOSS tracksuit, I will have to test if he knows how to use turn signals, to keep in a lane, to keep a distance and not to sponsor Nazi beneficiaries, which didn't pay for the use of the POW slave labor (they don't like being reminded of that, but it won't make it less of an issue, until they rebrand to erase the sour past associations).
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank evop for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 11.06.2021, 10:03
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,503
Groaned at 2,578 Times in 1,840 Posts
Thanked 39,643 Times in 18,684 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

What bike are we talking about here?

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11.06.2021, 10:35
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Zürich
Posts: 752
Groaned at 9 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 599 Times in 318 Posts
gipfelisturmer has an excellent reputationgipfelisturmer has an excellent reputationgipfelisturmer has an excellent reputationgipfelisturmer has an excellent reputation
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
Am contemplating selling one of my bikes privately, and whilst I'm more than happy for any buyer to start her up and/or put up on my workshop ramps to inspect, I am loathe to pass over the keys for a test drive - she's a special edition in mint condition, and I'm loathe to let some numpty thrash her about or worse, wind up with her on her scraped down the road, or over the side of the mountain. I am however happy to pillion a potential buyer, albeit that isn't a comfortable experience on this beastie.

Any bikers here who have sold/bought with a "no test ride" restriction please?
(Full) cash in your hands and they can test drive it as much as they want.
If they mess anything up they have just bought the bike, no questions asked.
Simple.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank gipfelisturmer for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 11.06.2021, 11:46
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Zürich
Posts: 166
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 207 Times in 89 Posts
bokabil is considered knowledgeablebokabil is considered knowledgeablebokabil is considered knowledgeable
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
(Full) cash in your hands and they can test drive it as much as they want.
If they mess anything up they have just bought the bike, no questions asked.
Simple.
Great suggestion!
Now how does one exactly write this in the ad (in German) to get the message clear across?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11.06.2021, 12:27
smileygreebins's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Schwyz
Posts: 581
Groaned at 35 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 1,154 Times in 349 Posts
smileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
What bike are we talking about here?

Tom
Rare, very pretty, fabulous growl, but not so much fun for my old body anymore. I'm better off with some of my standard, non-collector touring machines these days.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11.06.2021, 12:34
smileygreebins's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Schwyz
Posts: 581
Groaned at 35 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 1,154 Times in 349 Posts
smileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
I quite simply woulnd't buy a bike I wasn't allowed to test ride. The offer of being pillion would have me laughing.

You know yourself that it's important to feel the shifts, feel for vibrations in the bars, feel for pulses in the brakes.

So, no test ride, you're not getting my money. If you didn't write no test ride in the add, I would probably give you a few expletives for wasting my time.
You're spot on re appetite for test driving, but....

Would definitely mention no test ride in any ad, and would phone screen folks in advance as well - I don't have time for the tyre kickers who are bound to be attracted if I go with a mainstream ad. On reflection, I might actually be better off approaching a dealer or auction house to manage this.

Appreciate your input.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank smileygreebins for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 11.06.2021, 13:01
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,503
Groaned at 2,578 Times in 1,840 Posts
Thanked 39,643 Times in 18,684 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
Rare, very pretty, fabulous growl, but not so much fun for my old body anymore. I'm better off with some of my standard, non-collector touring machines these days.
Vincent Black Lightning?

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11.06.2021, 13:22
smileygreebins's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Schwyz
Posts: 581
Groaned at 35 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 1,154 Times in 349 Posts
smileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond reputesmileygreebins has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
Vincent Black Lightning?

Tom
Oh I should wish. Ditto for a Brough Superior!

Weather is glorious in central Switzerland today - stay upright fellow bikers!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11.06.2021, 13:45
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,503
Groaned at 2,578 Times in 1,840 Posts
Thanked 39,643 Times in 18,684 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
Oh I should wish. Ditto for a Brough Superior!
I have a friend who has a couple of Vincents, and at least 3 Broughs, that actually rides daily!

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 11.06.2021, 14:05
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Luzern
Posts: 610
Groaned at 36 Times in 26 Posts
Thanked 794 Times in 382 Posts
nejc has a reputation beyond reputenejc has a reputation beyond reputenejc has a reputation beyond reputenejc has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
Great suggestion!
Now how does one exactly write this in the ad (in German) to get the message clear across?
"test drive with deposit only" sorry, I am not sure enough in my German to translate it



btw. I guess that personal insurance covers that? I mean with my is this:
"bei Schäden an benützten fremden Motorfahrzeugen"


than you can ask for proof of insurance or for deposit? It would sound nicer, I guess.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank nejc for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 11.06.2021, 15:09
Squeeeez's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Frauenfeld
Posts: 1,004
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 962 Times in 442 Posts
Squeeeez has a reputation beyond reputeSqueeeez has a reputation beyond reputeSqueeeez has a reputation beyond reputeSqueeeez has a reputation beyond reputeSqueeeez has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Had a friend with a honda magna, which while probably not in the same category as the one you are selling, had a very sweet paint job.
When he was trying to sell it one potential buyer said he would only drive around very slowly... when it came to doing a u-turn to drive back you can guess what happened. And the guy had the audacity to claim that the scratches were there before, and refused to pay.

I suggest taking plenty of photographic evidence, just in case.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Squeeeez for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 11.06.2021, 15:40
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Zürich
Posts: 166
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 207 Times in 89 Posts
bokabil is considered knowledgeablebokabil is considered knowledgeablebokabil is considered knowledgeable
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

Quote:
View Post
Rare, very pretty, fabulous growl, but not so much fun for my old body anymore. I'm better off with some of my standard, non-collector touring machines these days.
Why don't you take a small deposit. And to be really sure, follow the test rider with your other machine?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank bokabil for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 11.06.2021, 17:06
blacky's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: ~ Affoltern a.A, ZH
Posts: 222
Groaned at 6 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 280 Times in 125 Posts
blacky has a reputation beyond reputeblacky has a reputation beyond reputeblacky has a reputation beyond reputeblacky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Issue with motorcycle test drive

If the bike is so precious, I'd also go with the route 'pay upfront and return intact and I'll give you your money back'.
Basically, sell immediately with an option to refund immediately eg that same day / few hours.

I don't think it's completely necessary to drive a bike before you buy it, unless you have some special needs for positions and what not.
I mean, there's a ton of youtube reviews where you can learn much more than from a ride, if you're new/inexperienced driver (my SO bought a bike like that, during the training, but before he got a A licence, in order to have the bike ready immediately after getting the licence, since process here was several weeks long, and he's completely happy with it without any issues, but spend probably hundred of hours on reading/watching reviews in order to find a bike for himself and which mods he wants immediately like different levers and whatnot).

On the other side, if you're experienced and you're looking for something specific, then yes, I can completely understand why you woudln't buy it without test drive. I wouldn't either (when I become experienced driver).

Would I pay upfront for the full amount to test drive it? If I really wanted it, yes.
Would I be a bit anxious about 'what if something is wrong with bike, or I just don't like it, would I get my money back' - I would.

So, check what you can do to mitigate this anxiety, don't know if maybe notary could be impartial third side which would hold the money and bike papers? Or if there's service like that.

Or yeah, check if there's an insurance you can offer to the rider / they can buy themselves for a day that would cover eventual damages and how that works exactly.

But at the end of the day it all boils down to - do you want to sell it or not.
And how to protect yourself from damages and not payment.

If you're anxious about what will happen to the bike under someone else's thighs, maybe you're not there yet to sell it. I mean, they can pay you in full and crash in the next corner. So decipher what's your main worry - being heartbroken or being without a money for damaged vehicle and then act accordingly.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank blacky for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
motorbike, motorcycle, test drive




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Test Drive [driving test] PurdueBoilermaker Transportation/driving 0 13.06.2017 17:52
motorcycle drive license miza9 Transportation/driving 4 17.06.2015 16:22
Final test drive to Switzerland, and Hello! blacks Introductions 7 03.04.2013 14:15
Learning to drive a motorcycle k_and_e Transportation/driving 57 23.11.2012 21:40
Motorcycle Drive - Basel - Lausanne jvia Travel/day trips/free time 2 24.04.2012 15:24


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 17:17.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0