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Old 01.07.2021, 09:51
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

Hi, sorry to hijack the post, but was wondering.

Is there a legal requirement for a dealer to inform a buyer of hail damage to a new or used car? Reason I ask. I went to a dealer yesterday to inquire about a new vehicle which they had on the lot. It had hail damage, as our area was badly hit. He informed me that the car would be repaired and that the asking price would not be adjusted, ie full new price. This surprised me as I would have expected a reduction of the selling price due to the hail damage (even though it was repaired). From what I remember hail damage does reduce the value of a car, particularly as it becomes very tricky if the car later has repeat hail damage (weakens the metal skin, making a second repair not worth doing or if done, significantly more expensive).
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

It happens quite often that new cars suffer damages during the transport.
The importer repairs them before they are sold and you will never know about it as they are small repairs.
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Old 01.07.2021, 10:39
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

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It happens quite often that new cars suffer damages during the transport.
The importer repairs them before they are sold and you will never know about it as they are small repairs.
Not even an expert?
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

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It happens quite often that new cars suffer damages during the transport.
The importer repairs them before they are sold and you will never know about it as they are small repairs.
Iíve sometimes wondered about this .

When I see new cars being taken past on the train , some are covered in some sort of plastic jacket . Others are not . Some of the train wagons have security grills which I guess deter vandals . Others donít .

I wonder why so many different levels of care ?
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

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When buying cars of unknown origin, I bring one of these:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005...archweb201603_

You can quickly ascertain how thick the paint is - a little variation is normal, but significant variation between panels would suggest a partial respray (which over time tends to become visible)
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

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Hi, sorry to hijack the post, but was wondering.

Is there a legal requirement for a dealer to inform a buyer of hail damage to a new or used car? Reason I ask. I went to a dealer yesterday to inquire about a new vehicle which they had on the lot. It had hail damage, as our area was badly hit. He informed me that the car would be repaired and that the asking price would not be adjusted, ie full new price. This surprised me as I would have expected a reduction of the selling price due to the hail damage (even though it was repaired). From what I remember hail damage does reduce the value of a car, particularly as it becomes very tricky if the car later has repeat hail damage (weakens the metal skin, making a second repair not worth doing or if done, significantly more expensive).
Curiosity made me search the CH laws

It seems there's no obligation to disclose the defect that reduces the vehicle price in the future. But:

(i) if you bring a paint thickness gauge (as suggested by Spinal) and the seller says don't worry, paint is factor new, never repaired this is considered a lie and you're entitle to get money compensation.

(ii) for hidden defects like the repainted car body panels, the buyer has (apparently) 2 years to find out and complain.

https://www.frc.ch/dossiers/la-garan...r-les-defauts/
https://avocats-route.ch/defauts-et-garanties/

It would be great if someone with more experience in CH could comment.

As mentioned several other times, consumer protection is weak in CH. Similar laws in the US, state than if a new vehicle needs a repair of more than 3-5% of sales price before being sold for 1st time, the seller is obliged to disclose the info.

Anyway, we're in CH, Caveat emptor
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

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It happens quite often that new cars suffer damages during the transport.
The importer repairs them before they are sold and you will never know about it as they are small repairs.
You will if you have a paint depth meter as I do! Hail damage probably does not need any paintwork so less of a worry
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

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What is in general considered good/really good deal? Skoda Enyaq looks quite nice
Wow this car looks very good. I am not fan of EV but price looks awesome for family SUV.

If this car is really in stock, -20% German vat and only 7.7% import into CH can be a super deal as there are no significant service cost and guarantee will be valid in CH

https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/s...hId=1962900384
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2...77/de#art_197: this is the general warranty provision "seller is liable to the buyer for any breach of warranty of quality and for any defects that would materially or legally negate or substantially reduce the value of the object or its fitness for the designated purpose."

However, in the second hand car market, the seller will often (attempt) to waive any warranty or at least limit it. In this case you are dealing with: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2...377/de#art_199

Finally, if you were able to detect the issues yourself: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2...377/de#art_200

In case of "defects" which do not truly affect the use of a product but have an impact, e.g. on the resale value of the product, the following decision may be of interest: https://www.bger.ch/ext/eurospider/l...=show_document

And I would be happen to explain what it actually means at my usual hourly rates...
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Re: How NOT to sell a car (Hail damage)

I have bought a car in Hannover some years ago, I was searching for a particular VW spec and they had it on stock. They sent me the full pictures and description with the contract, we signed the agreement remotely and I wired the cash so that I can pick it up on a Saturday afternoon.

Friday night there was a huge hail storm, which damaged all the cars in the dealer parking lots quite badly. The Audi dealer next door already had a mobile repair shop wheeled in from the Wolfsburg VW plant, engineers doing PDR repairs around the clock. They have a law in Germany saying the dealer has the right to repair the car first, which my dealer has tried (dents were too deep and had to be repainted). I had to get legal assistance to get the contract annulled and recover the money.
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