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Perhaps they’re annoyed because they think you can go before it’s green, when it’s yellow.

Same as they think it's actually any use to other drivers if you indicate at a junction after you've actually started turning into the new road. (or not indicating at all).

This is my major annoyance - especially when on a bicycle. It happens a lot.
It's interesting that it's one of those road rules that has absolutely no benefit to the driver of the vehicle - it's purely to help other people along their journeys.
Indicating is useful, especially if they do so before sticking the brakes on. Gives me a bit of forewarning that they're about to brake as opposed to just stopping in the middle of a road for no reason in otherwise moving traffic.

Surprised more people don't get rear ended because of this.
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Old 12.07.2021, 14:33
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Indicating is useful, especially if they do so before sticking the brakes on. Gives me a bit of forewarning that they're about to brake as opposed to just stopping in the middle of a road for no reason in otherwise moving traffic.

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We were taught (in the U.K.): mirror - signal - maneuver (in that order).

I'm sure they are taught the same thing here or may be not. Perhaps someone can confirm?

Of course in the U.K. loads of people don't indicate at junctions too and I'm sure it's due to laziness, getting distracted or an attitude of "just can't be bothered".

But if you are going to actually bother to do it then do it correctly or not at all.
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Hence the minimum speed on your meter should at all times be the limit plus 10 in a 50. Plus 20 on the motorway.

Foreign plates on the motorway are funny - they drive like bkwranger in a 50, always a safe 5-10 below the limit.
I'm enjoying this driving thread but I seem to be coming across as a Victor Meldrew type behind the wheel

If I drive 60 on my dial that means it's actually around 55 or so in real kmh. I was always taught the limit was there because of calculated stopping times and driving at 55 for example would mean you wouldn't be able to come to a complete stop if say a pedestrian ran out onto the road or a cyclist turned onto the road at short notice. I wouldn't be comfortable doing 60 in a 50 for this reason rather than being at risk of a fine.
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Old 12.07.2021, 15:56
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Hence the minimum speed on your meter should at all times be the limit plus 10 in a 50. Plus 20 on the motorway.
No it shouldn't. Where does it say that?

What about unrestricted motorways in Germany - how fast should you go on those?
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Old 12.07.2021, 16:10
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No it shouldn't. Where does it say that?
In my post

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What about unrestricted motorways in Germany - how fast should you go on those?
Infinite + 10
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What about unrestricted motorways in Germany - how fast should you go on those?
120/130 is a sensible limit if you dont want to be flat out, but always stay is a slowest lane
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We were taught (in the U.K.): mirror - signal - maneuver (in that order).

I'm sure they are taught the same thing here or may be not. Perhaps someone can confirm?
Son confirms that it is exactly the same here.
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Old 12.07.2021, 16:35
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Hence the minimum speed on your meter should at all times be the limit plus 10 in a 50. Plus 20 on the motorway.
Why?
Just because there is a maximum speed limit doesn’t mean you have to travel at that speed at all times.
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Old 12.07.2021, 18:21
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

The other thing I was taught in the U.K. is that the speed limit is just that - the limit.

If you want to go slower than that then you can.

There may be reasons for this:

You may chose to because weather/road conditions dictate.
You may be towing a trailer.
You may be driving a big vehicle on narrow roads.
You may be enjoying the scenery (seriously).

What you shouldn't do, however, is hold other traffic up so if you do go slower than the limit, then you should periodically pull over where possible and let traffic pass you.
Or, to put it another way - it's not up to you to dictate the speed of other drivers.

All these people who insist on driving 'at the speed + 10' all the time can't be doing their blood pressure any good.
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Son confirms that it is exactly the same here.
Another confirmation of that.
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Why?
Just because there is a maximum speed limit doesn’t mean you have to travel at that speed at all times.
There is a whole collection of case law (available in three of the four national languages) that upholds the concept of driving at a speed that is appropriate for the conditions rather than "as fast as you are legally allowed, preferably a little over" as some people like to think is correct. Remember that every additional km/h over 30 km/h significantly increases pedestrian mortality rates in the event of a collision. While 90% of pedestrians will survive being hit at 30km/h, survival rates drop below 50% when the car is going 45km/h (source). If that doesn't give you a good reason to stick to the speed limit in urban settings, then I really wonder what you are lacking more of: brain or heart?
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

You all take this thread way too seriously.
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You all take this thread way too seriously.
You don't get to state nonsense, defend that nonsense and then say it is all just a joke. I mean, sure, of course you can do that, but it makes you look rather foolish.
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Get Swiss plates and come back and report the difference...
This would be even worse if then I report better Results
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Old 12.07.2021, 18:51
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Indicating is useful, especially if they do so before sticking the brakes on. Gives me a bit of forewarning that they're about to brake as opposed to just stopping in the middle of a road for no reason in otherwise moving traffic.

Surprised more people don't get rear ended because of this.
True. It would also help if they wouldn't stop in the middle of the road, trying to figure out which way they want to go. This seems to be the new normal.
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That is because we know that the damn lights will only be green for what seems like ten seconds max, so if you take two seconds to gather your thoughts and pull away, it means at least one car will have to wait for the next green phase when it could have gone on to the next lights if you hadn't been sleeping. And there are a lot of people not watching out for the lights changing, in one case, the guy in front of me was so slow to sort himself out that the light went red again before he could drive off! Granted, it was one of those lights that is notorious for letting no more than three cars pass but it's no excuse for NONE to pass.

So, yes, if you are in front of me and don't start pulling away the SECOND the lights turn green, I will honk at you. If you want to travel around Zurich or any other city in Switzerland at a relaxed pace with plenty of time to check your phone and daydream, then public transport is the choice for you.

@OP: We appear to have "big patience" because we don't like confronting people and spend a lot of time thinking "how the hell does this person not know this, I'm embarrassed to have to tell them, so I'm just going to go to my happy place for now and b*tch about it behind their backs later on". The latter part is a bit of a problem because it creates a big issue where a few direct words would have fixes things easily but even as a native Swiss, you are not exempt from the wrath of "das weiss mer doch!" (one should know this).

If you are really getting so much aggro, then your type of car in combination with German plates may be the issue. Many Germans like to make fun of what terrible Swiss drivers are because we don't habitually do 250 on the Autobahn, so if you do something wrong (or inconvenient) here, it gets noticed and responded to immediately. As for your "patiently waiting behind on German roads" fairytale - heck no, that is not my experience on the Autobahn in Southern Germany, there is fog light flashing and following so close that you don't see their front plates anymore. Same on country roads, if you are not doing 100 on the twisting forest roads, you get tailgated and honked at until you pull over.

I suggest you either get a few driving lessons or learn to not care. Definitely change your plates.
Thanks again for the Driving Lessons Tips, as I said - I have had actually prior so called Field Operational Driving Training (vague translation to English) but hey, could be the Swiss driving is so much better than other Countries...

About the Plates - hemm, I really do not understand that, there is a reason I can not change them in the next Months, and is not this Europe? Yes, I know CH is not in the EU, but u know what I mean, right? So so common to drive the Highways in the area and meet so many different Plates, usually people are happy of this diversity on the Road, me 2 btw...
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The other thing I was taught in the U.K. is that the speed limit is just that - the limit.

If you want to go slower than that then you can.

There may be reasons for this:

You may chose to because weather/road conditions dictate.
You may be towing a trailer.
You may be driving a big vehicle on narrow roads.
You may be enjoying the scenery (seriously).

What you shouldn't do, however, is hold other traffic up so if you do go slower than the limit, then you should periodically pull over where possible and let traffic pass you.
Or, to put it another way - it's not up to you to dictate the speed of other drivers.

All these people who insist on driving 'at the speed + 10' all the time can't be doing their blood pressure any good.
Agree, and if I may add - is not this the basic in every Country? The Road allows and its 130 one can happily drive 130, or 160 if no Limit, but if driving on all these curvy up the Hills Roads and one is driving less than the limit - there comes the impatience, and the Beeping Interesting story - where I come from People beep all the Time. In Germany we almost never heard Beeping and my Kids are always surprised when we go Home for Visit. Well, now in CH they a chance to hear again
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Thanks again for the Driving Lessons Tips, as I said - I have had actually prior so called Field Operational Driving Training (vague translation to English) but hey, could be the Swiss driving is so much better than other Countries...

About the Plates - hemm, I really do not understand that, there is a reason I can not change them in the next Months, and is not this Europe? Yes, I know CH is not in the EU, but u know what I mean, right? So so common to drive the Highways in the area and meet so many different Plates, usually people are happy of this diversity on the Road, me 2 btw...
Come on now, people look funny at plates from different cantons, not to mind different countries.
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Come on now, people look funny at plates from different cantons, not to mind different countries.
U think so ? interesting. Why is it funny by the way? Is it something like with the Dialekt?
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I've also noticed that people here often act very impatient while waiting in line in the grocery store, even if it's not a long line, which (strangely) is something that I don't ever remember experiencing in the States.
Since the pandemic I don't get shoved out of the way so much anymore at the supermarket but it still does happen.

Having said that, the people who stand there while all their stuff gets scanned and piles up, then pay, with notes/coins before even thinking about packing their bags drive me nuts.
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Did not get you mate. Was this cynical? Cause so far they looked locals...
Yes I assume it's sarcasm/satire. The Swiss (media) tend to have a habit of blaming foreigners for everything and giving the impression all Swiss are angels.

Be aware that there are so many people of non-Swiss origin in Switzerland that when you say or think "the Swiss" in reality it's "The people in Switzerland".
Except for being really really inappropriately loud which seems to be a Swiss thing. Even the Italians complain that the Swiss are loud.
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