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Old 12.07.2021, 22:23
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I find the drivers here to be incredibly impatient, especially tailgating, no sense of Abstand, it's the same while walking! Same goes with honking their horns or flashing lights if you don't move or proceed fast enough, etc...personally I think it's really selfish because if you feel pressured to act/move from a driver who's behind you before you're ready, this can often result in an accident. My opinion is that no driver has the right to put pressure on a driver because of their own lack of patience. What really gets on my nerves is how impatient drivers are when they won't simply wait behind a bus or someone waiting to make a left turn & instead go around by driving on the sidewalk and/or into the bike lane, are they really keeping their eyes out for pedestrians or cyclists? So potentially dangerous! I live across the street from a bus stop & cars are ALWAYS passing the bus & cutting it really close to oncoming traffic. Why can't people just wait?! And I often wonder why it seems so many drivers aren't even thinking about getting fined for speeding, I mean on city/village roads, if you often drive the same route then you know where the speed camera machines are, but they get moved & are sometimes fairly well hidden. Honestly I don't care, it annoys me but their impatience is their problem, not mine.
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I find the drivers here to be incredibly impatient, especially tailgating, no sense of Abstand, it's the same while walking! Same goes with honking their horns or flashing lights if you don't move or proceed fast enough, etc...personally I think it's really selfish because if you feel pressured to act/move from a driver who's behind you before you're ready, this can often result in an accident. My opinion is that no driver has the right to put pressure on a driver because of their own lack of patience. What really gets on my nerves is how impatient drivers are when they won't simply wait behind a bus or someone waiting to make a left turn & instead go around by driving on the sidewalk and/or into the bike lane, are they really keeping their eyes out for pedestrians or cyclists? So potentially dangerous! I live across the street from a bus stop & cars are ALWAYS passing the bus & cutting it really close to oncoming traffic. Why can't people just wait?! And I often wonder why it seems so many drivers aren't even thinking about getting fined for speeding, I mean on city/village roads, if you often drive the same route then you know where the speed camera machines are, but they get moved & are sometimes fairly well hidden. Honestly I don't care, it annoys me but their impatience is their problem, not mine.
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Old 13.07.2021, 10:25
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Come on now, people look funny at plates from different cantons, not to mind different countries.
Yep. And it seems to get kind of ingrained living here.
When I moved to Thurgau, a couple from St. Gallen asked for Thurgau numberplates all chirpy and happily. When it was my turn I said grumpily: "I need Thurgau number plates - can you hear the difference?". Don't think the guy got it.

Soon after though I found out that I can get away with all kinds of tricks in Zurich, which I knew like the back of my hand. So I made the most of it until I could get rid of those number plates again.
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Yes I assume it's sarcasm/satire. The Swiss (media) tend to have a habit of blaming foreigners for everything and giving the impression all Swiss are angels.

Be aware that there are so many people of non-Swiss origin in Switzerland that when you say or think "the Swiss" in reality it's "The people in Switzerland".
Except for being really really inappropriately loud which seems to be a Swiss thing. Even the Italians complain that the Swiss are loud.
You're joking, right?
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Old 13.07.2021, 13:11
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All these people who insist on driving 'at the speed + 10' all the time can't be doing their blood pressure any good.
Exactly this. I used to drive Basel-Vevey regularly. For the first few months, I was driving as fast as I could (legally), always trying to get ahead etc.

Then I thought - stuff this, way too stressful. So I adapted my driving. Only being in the overtaking lane when actually overtaking, not queueing in the overtaking lane. Keeping my distance. If I'm being tailgated while overtaking, pull in as soon as possible and let the moron past. I'd rather he/she was in front of me than behind me. At the first sign on congestion move into the "slow" lane". When the road is clear, drive to the limit, according to weather conditions.

Funny thing. Being a bit obsessive, I used to keep track of my journey times. Driving as described above made no noticeable difference to the average journey time. But certainly, I was far less stressed.

The reason is that over 170km trip, averaging 100kph will take 1 hour 42 minutes. Average 110 kph will take 1 hour 32 minutes. But here's the key, it's extremely difficult to gain that extra 10kph an hour average. If you're lucky you might average 102kph - 1 hour forty. But get stuck at red lights a couple of times and that advantage is gone.

TL;DR drive defensively. It's far more enjoyable.
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Old 13.07.2021, 13:17
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

i drive at limit -10 and have people over take me.
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Italians are the best drivers, Germans the worst.

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Belgians, Tom.

Swiss drivers as usually passive-aggressive, they will bully you out of the way and when you pull up at the lights next to them, they stare straight ahead.

Classic highway examples...
- Empty highway, driver in lane 2 doing 120kph. Does. Not. Move. Over. Punkt.
- Full highway. Rather, full lane 2. Progress in lane 1 slightly faster (perfectly legal) and each car in lane 2 will close their gap to the car in front

You will cease to notice it in time
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. But get stuck at red lights a couple of times and that advantage is gone.
That's why it's always better to drive as fast as you can so you make the gains by not getting stuck at the red lights. Avoid red lights a few times and you've made massive gains, maybe enough time to make a coffee when you arrive.
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That's why it's always better to drive as fast as you can so you make the gains by not getting stuck at the red lights. Avoid red lights a few times and you've made massive gains, maybe enough time to make a coffee when you arrive.
Thereby increasing your blood pressure again!

But having done the dull data gathering, it seems to not work like that. It seems gaining an extra 1kph average is very difficult.
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Swiss drivers as usually passive-aggressive, they will bully you out of the way and when you pull up at the lights next to them, they stare straight ahead.
That's pretty active. As opposed to your blocking the left lane.
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