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Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

Well, could not find a better Title that will not get some people here jumping on me...

We moved here recently from Germany, where I found the locals drivers very polite, letting others to flow into Lanes and even when they fly on the Autobahn and stick behind you when bypassing on 150, they will just wait patiently....

What is the deal with the locals here in Switzerland (German part so far)?

From about driving here a total of 1 Month, but about 1000´s of Km, I already got a lot of Beeping, Faces, "nice" Hand Waving and so on, worst is the lack of Patience. Need to note I still have the German Plates, but who cares? In Germany you mostly meet dozens of foreign Plates on the Roads, even in Cities.

I spoke with some local Friends and also some long-Expats here who all say the Swiss are very edgy and impatient on the Roads. What do you think? Are not the Swiss supposed to have a BIG patience in their Life? And if not, and especially when you see a foreign Car, where is the famous hospitality?

EDIT: After I got some PM from people here, I do not think this has anything to do with adjusting... just pure kindness or lack of?
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

All the impolite ones are foreigners. But. When Switzerland beat France, I noticed that for a day or two, the courtesy of other drivers generally increased.
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All the impolite ones are foreigners. But. When Switzerland beat France, I noticed that for a day or two, the courtesy of other drivers generally increased.
Did not get you mate. Was this cynical? Cause so far they looked locals...
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Did not get you mate. Was this cynical? Cause so far they looked locals...
What do locals look like?
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

It's funny you created this post, because just today, I had two bizarre experiences, though I cannot say for certain that the people were Swiss. The first was on bikes, though (not in a car). We were riding our bikes down a crowded path near the lake, and we had to go slowly to maneuver through people to avoid hitting anyone, etc. A man and a woman came up behind us on their bikes and started screaming "Move! Move!" and plowed right through us, almost causing me to hit someone that was walking toward us and almost causing me to fall off of my bike as I swayed to try to avoid hitting her as that couple pushed their way through.

A few hours later, I was driving my son's friend home and a car behind us started honking at us as we were waiting to turn left onto a narrow road but couldn't turn because there was a car in the way (we had to wait until that car turned before we could move). So that car behind us just kept honking and honking, not understanding that there was a car in the way, I guess.

So then I came home and said to my husband: "It must be International Asshole Day."

Again, though, I have no idea if these people were Swiss.
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What do locals look like?
LOL knew this was coming. Just an answer to the "foreigners ones..." Nothing to get stuck on, just wanted to say they did not look foreigners, especially the ones that actually bothered to tell me something along with the angry Face.
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From about driving here a total of 1 Month, but about 1000´s of Km, I already got a lot of Beeping, Faces, "nice" Hand Waving and so on, worst is the lack of Patience.
This seems to me rather unusual. Since you say it is happening to you a lot, it's possible that you're driving in a way that seems correct, to you, but is according to the rules of the road of Germany (or any other country in which you might have lived and driven, before that), and perhaps you're overlooking some specifically Swiss rules of the road, or general usage, for example the practice of when to yield to other cars.

One easy way to find this out would be to pay for an hour of a Swiss driving teacher's time, just to go out with you while you drive as you normally do, and ask the instructor to point out any special aspects of Swiss traffic that, coming from abroad, you couldn't automatically know.
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

Swiss drivers are generally fast drivers with self-serving actions. You'll find as many thoughtful drivers as impatient ones. Drive assertively but cautiously and you'll be fine.
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This seems to me rather unusual. Since you say it is happening to you a lot, it's possible that you're driving in a way that seems correct, to you, but is according to the rules of the road of Germany (or any other country in which you might have lived and driven, before that), and perhaps you're overlooking some specifically Swiss rules of the road, or general usage, for example the practice of when to yield to other cars.

One easy way to find this out would be to pay for an hour of a Swiss driving teacher's time, just to go out with you while you drive as you normally do, and ask the instructor to point out any special aspects of Swiss traffic that, coming from abroad, you couldn't automatically know.
Interesting idea, I may do that. Not sure if I mentioned, I have some official Field Training Driving and have had driven in many Countries along the Years, clean Insurance Records ect. Seems like other Expats I speak to feels the same way, was wondering what is the reason behind that. Germans by the way are considered to be on the top List of Car enthusiastic / Drivers who like to drive fast / very good at Parking and so on, and still, being a foreigner there who is using the Roads quite often - makes u feel just one of them from day one....
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Swiss drivers are generally fast drivers with self-serving actions. You'll find as many thoughtful drivers as impatient ones. Drive assertively but cautiously and you'll be fine.
What do u mean by "Self serving actions" ?
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It's funny you created this post, because just today, I had two bizarre experiences, though I cannot say for certain that the people were Swiss. The first was on bikes, though (not in a car). We were riding our bikes down a crowded path near the lake, and we had to go slowly to maneuver through people to avoid hitting anyone, etc. A man and a woman came up behind us on their bikes and started screaming "Move! Move!" and plowed right through us, almost causing me to hit someone that was walking toward us and almost causing me to fall off of my bike as I swayed to try to avoid hitting her as that couple pushed their way through.

A few hours later, I was driving my son's friend home and a car behind us started honking at us as we were waiting to turn left onto a narrow road but couldn't turn because there was a car in the way (we had to wait until that car turned before we could move). So that car behind us just kept honking and honking, not understanding that there was a car in the way, I guess.

So then I came home and said to my husband: "It must be International Asshole Day."

Again, though, I have no idea if these people were Swiss.
Yes, exactly some of the incidents I had and / or saw others in front of me ect. To me it all feels like a big impatience. What is the big problem of waiting another Moment? Especially when People are driving at Leisure areas along the Lake on Weekends, are all Undercover Police that must be in such a hurry? ,)
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

The idea of taking a few lessons to understand Swiss driving is a good one. I've been taught here to drive quickly and assertively while being extremely cautious.

Slow and hesitant drivers can cause just as many accidents as those who speed and lack caution. Find a good balance and you should be OK.
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The idea of taking a few lessons to understand Swiss driving is a good one. I've been taught here to drive quickly and assertively while being extremely cautious.

Slow and hesitant drivers can cause just as many accidents as those who speed and lack caution. Find a good balance and you should be OK.
Thanks for the Tip. Never thought there is a "Swiss Driving" Well, I mean, did not see anything special in Holland / Germany / Czech so nice to see there is one here.
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Yes, exactly some of the incidents I had and / or saw others in front of me ect. To me it all feels like a big impatience. What is the big problem of waiting another Moment? Especially when People are driving at Leisure areas along the Lake on Weekends, are all Undercover Police that must be in such a hurry? ,)
I've also noticed that people here often act very impatient while waiting in line in the grocery store, even if it's not a long line, which (strangely) is something that I don't ever remember experiencing in the States.
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

Here are a few articles, in German, about some differences in driving in Germany and Switzerland.

https://www.charivari.de/freizeit/ex...-schweiz/69149

https://www.sixt.de/magazine/ratgebe...egeln-schweiz/

https://www.zuerich.com/de/besuchen/...in-der-schweiz
See, here: Verkehrsrichtung und Vorfahrt

https://www.auswandern-schweiz.net/s...verkehrsregeln
See here: Vorrang, and also Vorfahrt
www.auswandern-schweiz.net is is an organisation for Germans or people from Germany moving to Switzerland, so you might find other parts of their info helpful, too.


Here's what's new in Switzerland from 1.1.2021:
https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/do...-id-81639.html (German. There's also a French and and Italian version, but no English.)
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.......Here's what's new in Switzerland from 1.1.2021:
https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/do...-id-81639.html (German. There's also a French and and Italian version, but no English.)
Thanks for that link.
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

Usually yes better than most, they don’t just get the stopping at roundabouts thing.

Most will leave you out of a jam courteously that doesn’t happen in most other countries.
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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

Italians are the best drivers, Germans the worst.

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Re: Are Swiss drivers kind / patient?

Seeing as approximately +20% of Swiss Residents are not Swiss I wouldn’t be surprised if a similar percentage of drivers are not Swiss.

In this area we have an eclectic mix of drivers ranging from Diplomats, UN employees*
, frontaliers, aggressive youngsters (the ladies being the worse), local farmers (and their vehicles) plus the rest of us.

My wife considers the frontaliers the worse because they drive “aggressively”, meaning they tailgate. While I see them tailgating, I don’t see them being any more aggressive than other drivers.

I really don’t worry about the tailgaters, I can’t see them doing any damage if they just sit there, and pay attention. On the autoroutes I tend to drive at the limit +5km/h knowing my speedo is under measuring. And I do pull over once it is safe to do so. But I won’t speed up for tailgating.

It is, what it is.

* These are easily identified from the CD plaque number. The second number of the organisations have a leading zero (01 being UN employees) while the second number of countries representatives identifying the country but without the leading zero. (14 being Canada, I think).
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Italians are the best drivers, Germans the worst.

Tom
Are you sure? From Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ted_death_rate

IT: 5.2
DE: 3.7

For comparison:
CH 2.2
Europe: 9.3.

So Swiss drivers appear to be much safer than IT/DE
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