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buying a car.....final thread

So I didn't buy the car from the person that wouldn't let me test drive.....

and found another. Lovely specimen seems to have all the extra's in the world and is the newer model porsche 981...

It is being sold by a garage on behalf of someone... took for a test drive seems to be great (never driven a PDK/automatic car before so was interesting).

He needs to pay off the leasing so I have to pay 10k deposit (it is through a GMBH) which I guess is normal?

But the question is......MFK.......it was last done in November 2019. I am guessing this means that I will need to do quite quickly? Is it reasonable to ask them to put it through? Car is immaculate but I haven't done the test myself before so not sure how "difficult" it is to pass? Car has custom suspension which the guy paid a fortune for (I don't want but hey its included...) so I am not sure if this influences it?

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Re: buying a car.....final thread

Was the car inspected after the custom suspension was installed? If it was I'd say you've at least a few more years until the next MFK.
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Re: buying a car.....final thread

You wait until they call you in, could be years.

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Re: buying a car.....final thread

you wait until they call you in? I don't think I am clever enough for this country....

I read online that it was every 2 years? There is a lot of paperwork associated with the suspension (and the garage selling car on behalf of person is the one that installed it and still has the original parts).

They will put it back to stock but it will cost 750 CHF to do so....seems a shame as the person paid thousands for the set up (I have no idea about why someone does suspension, a car is a car!) so I would rather leave it on. Be interesting if Porsche will offer a warranty on it...
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Re: buying a car.....final thread

You can request an MFK and pay for it before buying. Better is to go to a TCS inspection.
Just the same take a look under the spare tire to see if there is any rust in the trunk. There's been a lot of rain and flooding lately.
How old is it? See about a guarantee.
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You can request an MFK and pay for it before buying. Better is to go to a TCS inspection.
Just the same take a look under the spare tire to see if there is any rust in the trunk. There's been a lot of rain and flooding lately.
How old is it? See about a guarantee.
I am hoping to get the porsche approved warranty but it's a bit of a gamble (especially with aftermarket coilovers).....

I will ask them to do the MFK at my expense but seeing as we have already agreed the price and I have paid a deposit, I think they might say no!
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we have already agreed the price and I have paid a deposit, I think they might say no!
you need to work a bit on your negotiation skills
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Yes! You the customer are still King. Insist on it! They are obliged and better not say no. If anything on the car, like the suspension doesn't meet spec. then it's best to know beforehand. The MFK will verify it.
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Re: buying a car.....final thread

Are the suspension mods listed on the grey card?

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Re: buying a car.....final thread

https://i.imgur.com/PlUcgLo.png

This is the image they sent me. Do not see it mentioned.

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Re: buying a car.....final thread

Then it may not pass MFK as is.

Insist that they do it.

What is the paper mentioned at point 100?

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Re: buying a car.....final thread

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[IMG] Do not see it mentioned.
That's exactly the issue. Some suspensions alterations must be provided in the booklet. I know the issue with some old VW bus, where the spring only suspension was replaced with damped-coil suspension (different cars, but hey, vw hippy buses and Porsches were coming from the same motors ) .

You may have luck, that at the MFK test they do not recognise them as a different part, and they test the functionality only. Visit a TCS garage in advance.
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Re: buying a car.....final thread

As for the required periodicity of the road worthiness test (MFK), the rules have changed in 2015. Today you need the first test 5 years after the 1st immatriculation, the 2nd 3 years after the first test actually happened, and every two years thereafter. Changing the holder makes no difference any longer.

However, as st2lemans already mentioned, you do wait until the MFK guys send you the invitation, there's no need to hurry.
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Then it may not pass MFK as is.

Insist that they do it.

What is the paper mentioned at point 100?

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The tacker in the top left corner indicates that something is or should be attached. Perhaps the DTC test report mentioned below?

To me layman the codes seem to match a change in the suspension system, probably coupled with a change in SpurBreite (track width? the distance between the centers of the two rims on the same axle). See the asa guidelines p.72. (confirmed by ASTRA, the federal road agency). So, the changes may well have been approved by the MFK guys.

Code value and meaning
900 - "Räder", wheels
910 - "Federung oder Fahrwerk", suspension or chassis
991 - "DTC Prüfbericht", DTC test report (DTC=? perhaps Drive Test Center?)

That said, a friend has seen his oversized rims and tyres refused by the testing mechanic during MFK (I believe it was the 3rd MFK for the car, he never changed a thing himself) even though they were originals he bought together with the new car, and the grey card had the necessary manufacturer certificate attached. Usually there will be more than one professional car mechanic present, don't hesitate to get their opinion and support on the spot. My friend had to raise hell and act as if he was about to go berserk in the MFK office to get the MFK mechanic to acknowledge and correct his error.
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The tacker in the top left corner indicates that something is or should be attached. Perhaps the DTC test report mentioned below?.
Yes, that is my suspicion as well.

Ask the seller!

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991 - "DTC Prüfbericht", DTC test report (DTC=? perhaps Drive Test Center?)
Dynamic Test Center, they test all sorts of car stuff, anytime I've been there there's always a few interesting vehicles.

https://www.dtc-ag.ch/
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Dynamic Test Center, they test all sorts of car stuff, anytime I've been there there's always a few interesting vehicles.

https://www.dtc-ag.ch/
But is the car still street legal after the crash test?
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Depends on how dynamic the tester is feeling.

Mostly I've been there for to look into a bad dose of the shakes.
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Re: buying a car.....final thread

Okay as an update........ I rang the centre: apparently the MFK isn't due until 2022 (November) so less of a worry there. I thought it was every two years but hey they said it so I believe them.

They also confirmed the suspension and the spacers were done at the last MFK and were documented so there should be no issue there.

So should be okay...

My biggest issue now is hoping that Porsche do not have an issue with the suspension set up and can still offer me the Porsche warranty. I do not want to drive a PDK car without one!

fingers crossed!
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My biggest issue now is hoping that Porsche do not have an issue with the suspension set up and can still offer me the Porsche warranty.
I think that the fact that it is an 8 year old car makes getting any warranty doubtful.

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I think that the fact that it is an 8 year old car makes getting any warranty doubtful.

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Porsche offer "Porsche approved" warranties - after a very thorough check - for cars up to 15 years old. They obviously wont insure aftermarket parts. I dont see why the shocks would be a problem for engine and pdk though.

Anyways: Whats the problem with running a PDK without warranty? The vast majority of Porsches have them and they are really very solid. I had the approved warranty when buying a used car from a Porsche dealer... didnt extend it as it is quite costly per year. Had very little problems with my Porsches so far... but that might be also depending on "driving style". There are some owners who seem to have consistently higher costs for brakes and maintenance...
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