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Old 15.08.2021, 16:36
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What car?

I'm looking for another car... but not sure what I want. (bit of background, I have too many cars, and keep getting more)

Currently have something that goes offroad reasonably well, so don't need another one of those (G wagon). Also I have a fuel efficient car to get to work, so don't need one of those (Duster). A small convertible (307cc) takes care of the sunny days with the roof down. A wheelchair vehicle (modified fiat doblo) takes care of those day trips where I bring dad around. (I have a few more, but will skip... oh, and not all in CH)

That said... I feel like I'm missing something that has the "grin factor". I regret scrapping the golf gti all those years ago, and kinda miss the probe GT that I gave away when I moved to CH...

So I started looking, and have come up with some very different cars that fit my budget (around 60k):
* Ford Mustang
* Tesla model 3 performance pack
* C43 AMG (second hand)
* Z4 30i (doesn't meet the <5s requirement, but the 40i is out of budget)


After a lot of looking, I think that the cars share these features:
* 0-100 in sub-5s
* >250kmph top speed
* 4 seats (or at least somewhere that the (very big) dog can sit in the bag)
* can be driven in the rain (eliminates an ariel atom)
* can be bought in CH without the hassle of importing, and serviced in CH without too much hassle (though I don't mind getting my hands dirty... I rebuild the engine on one of my rally cars years ago)

I would prefer new, but *may* consider anything sub 10-20k km...

I'm going to get a few test drives... but first was wondering... what am I missing from my shortlist?

(appendix: pros/cons)
* Ford Mustang
+ Nice exhaust and probably the last chance to own a real, naturally aspirated V8
- It's an American car... handling and interior I presume will be lacking

* Tesla model 3 performance pack
+ Autopilot + free charging at work.
- Tesla customer service sucks from what I've seen. Also offers only 30min test drives, while I've always gotten weekend test drives.

* C43 AMG (second hand)
+ It's a merc... my first car was a C-class, as was my first rally car... so some serious nostalgia value
- It's a merc... which seems to consistently score poorly on reliability ratings... Also, I don't have a requirement to swap an engine in <15mins (assuming this is still possible... on the W202 C43 this was a big selling point for me)

* Z4 30i (doesn't meet the <5s requirement, but the 40i is out of budget)
+ BMW build quality, can be convertible
- Slow, especially if convertible. Also a bit redundant as I have a Z3 in another country...
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Old 15.08.2021, 17:35
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Re: What car?

Well, don't ask us; we have 10 or so (I've given up counting). Care for a TVR Tuscan?
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Old 15.08.2021, 18:00
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So I started looking, and have come up with some very different cars that fit my budget (around 60k):
* Ford Mustang
* Tesla model 3 performance pack
* C43 AMG (second hand)
* Z4 30i (doesn't meet the <5s requirement, but the 40i is out of budget)
As this is a luxury problem anyhow, I 'd say beef up your pathetic budget and get an Audi e-tron GT. Fun and electric.

Mustang and Tesla will be poor finish quality, and the Tesla touchscreen-steers-everything is a pain in the butt.

C43 AMG is just an embarassing poser car. Look who else drives one.

Z4 is cool, but seems redundant and isn't this a 2-seater?
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Old 16.08.2021, 07:17
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Re: What car?

BMW M2 Comp. I had an M2 previously and it was really great. Reviews said that it was the best M car of the previous generation.
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Re: What car?

Toyota Yaris GR. will be faster than everything above
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Old 16.08.2021, 07:59
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Re: What car?

* Tesla model 3 performance pack
+ Autopilot + free charging at work.
- Tesla customer service sucks from what I've seen. Also offers only 30min test drives, while I've always gotten weekend test drives.


You won't need more than 30 minutes to be convinced. Just hold the wheel tight when you floor it...

Oh, and you won't need any service!

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Old 16.08.2021, 09:41
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Re: What car?

I have had a weekend overnight test drive of a tesla model 3.

Maybe it changed now because demand is currently so high?

I'd suggest you do a bit more research - it is called the Tesla model 3 Performance - it's not a pack!
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Re: What car?

Any 6-cilinder BMW i.e. 1/2/3-35/40i or M2/M3.

I drive the 140i xDrive which does 4.4 secs to a 100, so it definitely has the grin factor.

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C43 AMG is just an embarassing poser car. Look who else drives one.
I think you are confused with the C63 AMG (V8). The 6-cilinder C43 is usually driven by families.
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Old 16.08.2021, 10:11
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I have had a weekend overnight test drive of a tesla model 3.

Maybe it changed now because demand is currently so high?

I'd suggest you do a bit more research - it is called the Tesla model 3 Performance - it's not a pack!
I was thinking about the US "Track package" - but can't seem to find that in CH...
https://shop.tesla.com/product/model-3-track-package
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* Tesla model 3 performance pack
+ Autopilot + free charging at work.
- Tesla customer service sucks from what I've seen. Also offers only 30min test drives, while I've always gotten weekend test drives.


You won't need more than 30 minutes to be convinced. Just hold the wheel tight when you floor it...

Oh, and you won't need any service!
There is way more to driver's experience than pure acceleration, especially on swiss roads full of traffic, rules and speed cameras. I vouch for that M2 or some other BMW experience for that.

And don't think for a second that electric cars don't need servicing, in contrary. Tesla cut a lot of corners (well its an US car), its completely new line of cars, so mistakes were made, just like any other manufacturer.

Just don't buy an Full Self Driving from Tesla if you decide to go down that road, anybody who understands the tech behind it knows its a big fat lie from Elon Musk that won't deliver what people expect anytime soon (meaning probably this decade).
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Old 16.08.2021, 10:41
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Re: What car?

I know a number of people who have test driven a Tesla and very soon after ordered one, and professed not to go back to ICE. The pros of what the Model 3 offers, far outweigh the niggles people typically mention here.

That kind of speaks to the idea that maybe, it's worth having a test drive and finding out for yourself, or? At the very least, it will give you an interesting comparison.

Personally though, not being a fast driver, I'd go for the extra range afforded by the long range - even in that, the acceleration is still very very good.
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Old 16.08.2021, 11:13
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There is way more to driver's experience than pure acceleration, especially on swiss roads full of traffic, rules and speed cameras. I vouch for that M2 or some other BMW experience for that.

And don't think for a second that electric cars don't need servicing, in contrary. Tesla cut a lot of corners (well its an US car), its completely new line of cars, so mistakes were made, just like any other manufacturer.

Just don't buy an Full Self Driving from Tesla if you decide to go down that road, anybody who understands the tech behind it knows its a big fat lie from Elon Musk that won't deliver what people expect anytime soon (meaning probably this decade).
The intention isn't to drive just in CH Yes, we have some glorious windy mountain roads... but so does Italy. The German autobahn is also tempting... and let's not forget the smoothness of the French highways...
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Old 16.08.2021, 11:34
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Oh, and you won't need any service!
Until the battery dies.
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Old 16.08.2021, 12:05
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Until the battery dies.
Not just... Tesla recommended the service every year or 12,500 miles for the Model S and Model X and every two years or 25,000 miles for the Model 3.

Speaking to a colleague who has a Model S, the servicing hasn't been cheap... he's just had to change something for the steering (he wasn't sure what) at a cost of nearly 9k...

That's on a relatively new car...
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Re: What car?

Yes, upside is only the lithium battery module wants replacing, not the whole battery pack. Downside is there is a worldwide shortage of lithium. The only way I'd have an electric is something like the Renault ZOE with a leased battery. 'Course I'd like to see the "out" clause of that lease...is lithium shortage an Act of God?
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Until the battery dies.
The Tesla battery warranty is for 8 years.

Anyway, knowing that sales of ICE cars will end in just under 8½ years, I have to wonder why anyone would consider buying one now...
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Not just... Tesla recommended the service every year or 12,500 miles for the Model S and Model X and every two years or 25,000 miles for the Model 3.

Speaking to a colleague who has a Model S, the servicing hasn't been cheap... he's just had to change something for the steering (he wasn't sure what) at a cost of nearly 9k...

That's on a relatively new car...
That your colleague is spending 9k on something for the steering and doesn't even know what it is, seems rather suspect one way or the other.
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The Tesla battery warranty is for 8 years.

Anyway, knowing that sales of ICE cars will end in just under 8½ years, I have to wonder why anyone would consider buying one now...
Even more reason to get a proper car and treat it well. I really regret getting rid of some cars over the years...

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That your colleague is spending 9k on something for the steering and doesn't even know what it is, seems rather suspect one way or the other.
Not everyone is that interested in technology... especially when talking about company cars where servicing is expensed...
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The price of certain good classic cars is rising fast...We've had to stop driving two of ours (except for maintenance exercise) because they are too valuable. Once countries try to stamp out the big IC engines, they will be sold to the highest bidder.
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I'm looking for another car... but not sure what I want. (bit of background, I have too many cars, and keep getting more)

Currently have something that goes offroad reasonably well, so don't need another one of those (G wagon). Also I have a fuel efficient car to get to work, so don't need one of those (Duster). A small convertible (307cc) takes care of the sunny days with the roof down. A wheelchair vehicle (modified fiat doblo) takes care of those day trips where I bring dad around. (I have a few more, but will skip... oh, and not all in CH)

That said... I feel like I'm missing something that has the "grin factor". I regret scrapping the golf gti all those years ago, and kinda miss the probe GT that I gave away when I moved to CH...

So I started looking, and have come up with some very different cars that fit my budget (around 60k):
* Ford Mustang
* Tesla model 3 performance pack
* C43 AMG (second hand)
* Z4 30i (doesn't meet the <5s requirement, but the 40i is out of budget)


After a lot of looking, I think that the cars share these features:
* 0-100 in sub-5s
* >250kmph top speed
* 4 seats (or at least somewhere that the (very big) dog can sit in the bag)
* can be driven in the rain (eliminates an ariel atom)
* can be bought in CH without the hassle of importing, and serviced in CH without too much hassle (though I don't mind getting my hands dirty... I rebuild the engine on one of my rally cars years ago)

I would prefer new, but *may* consider anything sub 10-20k km...

I'm going to get a few test drives... but first was wondering... what am I missing from my shortlist?

(appendix: pros/cons)
* Ford Mustang
+ Nice exhaust and probably the last chance to own a real, naturally aspirated V8
- It's an American car... handling and interior I presume will be lacking

* Tesla model 3 performance pack
+ Autopilot + free charging at work.
- Tesla customer service sucks from what I've seen. Also offers only 30min test drives, while I've always gotten weekend test drives.

* C43 AMG (second hand)
+ It's a merc... my first car was a C-class, as was my first rally car... so some serious nostalgia value
- It's a merc... which seems to consistently score poorly on reliability ratings... Also, I don't have a requirement to swap an engine in <15mins (assuming this is still possible... on the W202 C43 this was a big selling point for me)

* Z4 30i (doesn't meet the <5s requirement, but the 40i is out of budget)
+ BMW build quality, can be convertible
- Slow, especially if convertible. Also a bit redundant as I have a Z3 in another country...
Test drive the Mini Cooper S if you haven't already. BMW quality and fun to drive.
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