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Re: Appeal or not appeal (red light)?

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The pedestrian was not on the strip, he was crossing the intersection diagonally.


I paid but all this forensic is wasted time. First because it's clearly based on mere speculation, second because I would never report the lesson from an internet stranger to her. She is a great driver, with a great streak of no accidents, no fines, and courteous behavior on the road. She is not "lucky" that a pedestrian was not hit, as you suggested. She is paying a fine because she is a careful driver, she always keeps an eye on the sidewalk, and so she stopped even if the pedestrian should not have been there.
Hey OP,

Thanks for checking back in with the update! No-one (at least most of us) doubts that your wife is a good driver, or that she did anything wrong. I‘m sure all of us have been there in some shape or form - facing a situation which is unfair / wrong, but knowing that fighting it is just a waste of time.

It‘s just „one of those things“ in Switzerland, that is easier to just pay - because you know that any form of dispute is just going to be fruitless, and only cost you time and energy. Have been there, believe me.

Switzerland is very clearly regulated - even for the tiniest of things.

And it can work either against or for you (usually for you when the stakes are higher). Disputing „smaller“ amounts (although I fully understand that a 200.- fine is nothing to be sniffed at - and it‘s mostly abut the injustice of the situation) is just usually pointless here, and usually ends-up costing more. My daughters Swiss partner (in the Police), spent a lot of time in his training on traffic, and he can tell quite a few stories.

I believe, after years of being here, that it is just a question of picking the battles worth fighting, and unfortunately succumbing to the ones you know you will loose.

Again, thanks for having kept us informed - I personally believe that you made the right decision!

PS: I have read your previous posts on other threads, and that‘s why I said in my previous reply that „I don‘t think that you expect forensics“
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Old 09.10.2021, 17:53
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I pay all Mrs Parkers fines, and she makes me an awesome spaghetti bolognese.
You must love the woman a lot to pay her fines and eat bolognese with spaghetti.

It's supposed to be with tagliatelle
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Old 09.10.2021, 18:20
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You must love the woman a lot to pay her fines and eat bolognese with spaghetti.

It's supposed to be with tagliatelle
Spaghetti Bolognese is never made with tagliatelle. Hence its name. Otherwise it would be Tagliatelle Bologonese.

I prefer Linguini Bolognese myself, but I'm aware of my heresy.
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Linguini Bolognese

I was mad for my 250 CHF fine, but here you are asking me to pick my battles, and these things are not on the same league. Really, linguine with anything but fish??


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I was mad for my 250 CHF fine, but here you are asking me to pick my battles, and these things are not on the same league. Really, linguine with anything but fish??


I'm ignorant you see - it's all just pasta, innit?
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I'm ignorant you see - it's all just pasta, innit?
No, you're English like me. We think pasta with a sauce is this, and only this:

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Re: Appeal or not appeal (red light)?

I start to read, but I am disappointed, I thought it would be about red light district.
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Re: Appeal or not appeal (red light)?

EF is a very Narcissitic space. The shaming is an automatic response from the members whose ego was threatened by previous fines in the mail. They need to get rid of that shame by projecting it from them and onto you.

I'm with you though. You can't predict a pedestrian walking out or in a personal example from my life, a car on the other side of the intersection reversing into a space preventing me from completing my passage.

But consider that this is nothing to do with committing an offence or fairness of the fine, it's just about raising money. And there's nothing you can do about it.

So this advice distils down to: Pay the fine and consider it a cost of doing business!
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Re: Appeal or not appeal (red light)?

The exaggeration (very Narcissistic), the generalization (EF is…or the members shame others)…how in the world is it possible for you not to see that you are doing pretty much the same thing?? Why won’t you express your opinion without criticizing others for criticizing??


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EF is a very Narcissitic space. The shaming is an automatic response from the members whose ego was threatened by previous fines in the mail. They need to get rid of that shame by projecting it from them and onto you.

I'm with you though. You can't predict a pedestrian walking out or in a personal example from my life, a car on the other side of the intersection reversing into a space preventing me from completing my passage.

But consider that this is nothing to do with committing an offence or fairness of the fine, it's just about raising money. And there's nothing you can do about it.

So this advice distils down to: Pay the fine and consider it a cost of doing business!
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Old 23.10.2021, 16:28
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The exaggeration (very Narcissistic), the generalization (EF is…or the members shame others)…how in the world is it possible for you not to see that you are doing pretty much the same thing?? Why won’t you express your opinion without criticizing others for criticizing??
Could be narcissism I suppose? That's why I do it.
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Could be narcissism I suppose? That's why I do it.
Got it confirmed over many years of psychotherapy that I’m not narcissistic (at least not to an unhealthy level - a certain level is really healthy and essential for mental health). I was the only one to be groaned on this post (and that was a result of old, unresolved EF disputes over the years (now in the meantime more or less resolved ) - so I don’t really see where “shaming” comes into this thread?
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