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Hello, anyone have any recommendations for a garage that can service a 2003 Porsche 911(other than the obvious Porsche dealer). I am in the Zug area. Thanks.
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Do it yourself, I do.

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Re: Garage for Porsche

This garage has been great with our Porsche https://kingracing.ch/

I realise it's a bit of a drive from Zug, but it might be worth it. We have found their prices to be fair and they couldn't be more helpful. They really know their stuff.
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Re: Garage for Porsche

Our lical friends, avid fans of Porsche (decades of driving), use Porsche centre in rotkreuz. Google it.
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Do it yourself, I do.

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Are you the same guy that, when I was looking for a new house, said “Build it yourself, I did.”?

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Are you the same guy that, when I was looking for a new house, said “Build it yourself, I did.”?

That's nothing, i've heard, although i cannot confirm, nor do i have an external link, Tom actually writes many of his posts himself now
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Are you the same guy that, when I was looking for a new house, said “Build it yourself, I did.”?

That's nothing, i've heard, although i cannot confirm, nor do i have an external link, Tom actually writes many of his posts himself now
pretty sure it's an intern doing his groans though.
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Our lical friends, avid fans of Porsche (decades of driving), use Porsche centre in rotkreuz. Google it.
I think the OP is looking for an independent garage. Porsche in Rotkreuz (Porsche Zug) is very good, but the costs are quite high.

I just had my car serviced there and with the tire change the cost was CHF 2,700

Does anyone know if you can have your car serviced independently if you are leasing it?
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I think the OP is looking for an independent garage. Porsche in Rotkreuz (Porsche Zug) is very good, but the costs are quite high.

I just had my car serviced there and with the tire change the cost was CHF 2,700

Does anyone know if you can have your car serviced independently if you are leasing it?
I second the opinion about the Porsche centre Zug: Both the most competent Porsche dealer I ever dealt with... and the most expensive. (But their showroom is worth a visit... they usually have display cars other dealerships dream of)

On the leasing: depends on the contract. I had both before, contracts that left the service and everything to me... basically pure finance. And other which include everything from servicing to petrol... then you need to go to "approved" garages... typically the main dealership.
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(But their showroom is worth a visit... they usually have display cars other dealerships dream of).
Unfortunately even they seem to be having difficulties getting cars and they have now had to convert some of the showroom to a lounge area!

They still have some nice classics, though!
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On the leasing: depends on the contract. I had both before, contracts that left the service and everything to me... basically pure finance. And other which include everything from servicing to petrol... then you need to go to "approved" garages... typically the main dealership.
Mine doesn't include servicing, but the lease is from Porsche, so wondered, that being the case, if Porsche needs to service it. I'm more curious than anything else, as, for peace of mind, I would probably choose Porsche for the service anyway.

This last service was 'the big one', so smaller services shouldn't be too bad and even this one probably pales in comparison to Ferrari et al
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Mine doesn't include servicing, but the lease is from Porsche, so wondered, that being the case, if Porsche needs to service it. I'm more curious than anything else, as, for peace of mind, I would probably choose Porsche for the service anyway.

This last service was 'the big one', so smaller services shouldn't be too bad and even this one probably pales in comparison to Ferrari et al
Porsche Leasing in Switzerland isnt actually run by Porsche (unlike in Germany)... Its just Bank-Now with a nicer label. I used them before and while I actually serviced the car only at various Porsche centers do I not think they ever cared about the service record at all. But I kept the car after the leasing ran out... I guess when you hand it back is the moment they'd check the papers... so I dont know.
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Mine doesn't include servicing, but the lease is from Porsche, so wondered, that being the case, if Porsche needs to service it. I'm more curious than anything else, as, for peace of mind, I would probably choose Porsche for the service anyway.

This last service was 'the big one', so smaller services shouldn't be too bad and even this one probably pales in comparison to Ferrari et al
Actually Ferrari service is not that bad.
First 7 years from registration it's all free, and not BMW/Merc kind of free where you pay fluids through the nose. FREE FREE. You're only on the hook for things that are not supposed to happen, so if you burn through a set of ceramic discs, that's not covered.

Then you also get a warranty for 3 years, and you can extend for costs comparable to what Merc would charge for an upscale AMG - something like 5k every 2 years I think. It's not as inclusive, but it is from factory and not some third party and fully covers powertrain (engine, transmission).

Even after the 7 years things are not so terrible, with normal services being comparable to most brands.

Ferrari is basically taking advantage of the fact that very few owners put serious Km on their cars, and between that and the increased reliability of the warrantied parts, it's a great marketing tool/incentive.

Older cars do have eye-watering bills, not only on scheduled stuff, but also for stuff that breaks here and there all the time.


On the other hand, Ferrari is an annual service regardless of use. Porsche I think has more extended intervals, so on a per Km basis for the quality of car you get is not bad at all, even if the actual service is quite an expensive item when it comes along.
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Actually Ferrari service is not that bad.
First 7 years from registration it's all free, and not BMW/Merc kind of free where you pay fluids through the nose. FREE FREE. You're only on the hook for things that are not supposed to happen, so if you burn through a set of ceramic discs, that's not covered.

Then you also get a warranty for 3 years, and you can extend for costs comparable to what Merc would charge for an upscale AMG - something like 5k every 2 years I think. It's not as inclusive, but it is from factory and not some third party and fully covers powertrain (engine, transmission).

Even after the 7 years things are not so terrible, with normal services being comparable to most brands.

Ferrari is basically taking advantage of the fact that very few owners put serious Km on their cars, and between that and the increased reliability of the warrantied parts, it's a great marketing tool/incentive.

Older cars do have eye-watering bills, not only on scheduled stuff, but also for stuff that breaks here and there all the time.


On the other hand, Ferrari is an annual service regardless of use. Porsche I think has more extended intervals, so on a per Km basis for the quality of car you get is not bad at all, even if the actual service is quite an expensive item when it comes along.

It's not free, you pay it up front in the purchase price


My 2 years extra guarantee on an AMG CLS63S was €1400-1500
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On the other hand, Ferrari is an annual service regardless of use. Porsche I think has more extended intervals, so on a per Km basis for the quality of car you get is not bad at all, even if the actual service is quite an expensive item when it comes along.

I may be wrong, but I actually think my car requires a service annually. I know what you are talking about though, my BMW has 'condition based' servicing.


I don't know much about Ferraris (apart from the fact that you can be waiting so long for your car to be built that Ferrari actually replaces the model before you have received it!!), but I was thinking about the 'engine out' cambelt changes!
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I may be wrong, but I actually think my car requires a service annually.
I think you are wrong. Depending on you usage might this be the case, but I don’t think any Porsche demands a service every twelve months no matter of the mileage used… Ferraris do.
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Yeah, the recommendation is to service my Ferrari yearly. Can confirm that part...
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It's not free, you pay it up front in the purchase price


My 2 years extra guarantee on an AMG CLS63S was €1400-1500
I was quoted 3.5k for I think 2 years for an AMG GT S and while I initially thought it pricey, it would cover brakes as well, so you could easily recoup the value if you did a full job at dealer prices. I didn't go for it, as I didn't know how long I'd keep the car and I could do the brakes for 1.5k max.

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I may be wrong, but I actually think my car requires a service annually. I know what you are talking about though, my BMW has 'condition based' servicing.


I don't know much about Ferraris (apart from the fact that you can be waiting so long for your car to be built that Ferrari actually replaces the model before you have received it!!), but I was thinking about the 'engine out' cambelt changes!
Cambelts haven't happened since the 360, and engine-outs stopped with the 355.

Most cars have condition based, or Km-based, but also put a max time regardless of usage. I think pretty much everyone other than Ferrari do 2-year max stretch between oil changes, but Ferrari does annual.
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I was quoted 3.5k for I think 2 years for an AMG GT S and while I initially thought it pricey, it would cover brakes as well, so you could easily recoup the value if you did a full job at dealer prices. I didn't go for it, as I didn't know how long I'd keep the car and I could do the brakes for 1.5k max.

I had carbon ceramic brakes changed on mine, just the front discs and pads, under guarantee, fortunately, cost..........Chf 14.5k, just for the parts !!!! (and beforer anybody asks, the price weas similar in Germany, within 10% of the Swiss price)
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Yeap ceramics are cuckoo prices - how come you went through them?
Was it damage on the discs?
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