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roegner 09.06.2022 15:20

Re: Swiss cancels flights for Summer 2022
 
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Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3415559)
Time to re-think the way we fly. It is nonsense to fly all over Europe for a short week-end. From where I live, flying to Paris, Milan, Vienna, and other central Europe places is non-sensical, having to get to airport 3 hours before, transport to and from, extortionate parking charges, meals, etc, etc - and then same at t'other end- when jumping on the train takes about same time, but stressfree, great countryside, and town to town. Or night trains for those who don't really enjoy looking out to amazing countryside.

And for long-haul even more so. Make it count, go for 2 weeks or more. I know someone who flies over Friday to Sunday from Texas - just makes NO sense.

Thanks but no thanks. I do not need to be 3 hours beforehand at the airport and I can go there by public transport.
Normally, if I leave at 5 pm, I am more than in time for my 6.30 pm flight and am in Berlin at 9 pm latest. That is 4 hours or less.

The quickest connection SBB shows me is 8 hours and 51 minutes. That twice for a weekend? No way.

And going for 2 weeks. Not everyone here is retired.

Edit: werenīt you for a long weekend in Spain recently? I remember you asked about when you should be at the airport?

blackbird 09.06.2022 16:47

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It is a waste of time, to be at the airport for a flight in europe with hand luggage only.
Max 2 hours before you have to be there.

the earliest flights from Zurich leave around 06 am,the airport opens around 04am

Belgianmum 09.06.2022 17:23

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 3415564)
Thanks but no thanks. I do not need to be 3 hours beforehand at the airport and I can go there by public transport.
Normally, if I leave at 5 pm, I am more than in time for my 6.30 pm flight and am in Berlin at 9 pm latest. That is 4 hours or less.

The quickest connection SBB shows me is 8 hours and 51 minutes. That twice for a weekend? No way.

And going for 2 weeks. Not everyone here is retired.

Edit: werenīt you for a long weekend in Spain recently? I remember you asked about when you should be at the airport?

It really depends on where youíre going and how long for in my opinion.

Some destinations whilst perfectly accessible by train from here would require a fair amount of faffing about and changes of train so are much easier and more convenient to travel to by plane.

Business travellers are also more likely to go by plane unless itís a straightforward rail journey.

roegner 09.06.2022 17:26

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415603)
It really depends on where youíre going and how long for in my opinion.

Some destinations whilst perfectly accessible by train from here would require a fair amount of faffing about and changes of train so are much easier and more convenient to travel to by plane.

Business travellers are also more likely to go by plane unless itís a straightforward rail journey.

I agree with you. My comment was just that sometimes a train is not advantageous for short trips and a longer distance.

Belgianmum 09.06.2022 17:35

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 3415606)
I agree with you. My comment was just that sometimes a train is not advantageous for short trips and a longer distance.

Exactly. It makes no sense to go by train for a weekend in Berlin.

bowlie 09.06.2022 17:36

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Or you can take the train to the plane. Switzerland is blessed with the airport rail stations at Geneva and ZŁrich. If GVA could only have more trains with floor level access.

venetian 09.06.2022 17:52

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415613)
Exactly. It makes no sense to go by train for a weekend in Berlin.

With the night train mentioned above you can spend the full week working in CH and the full weekend in Berlin, you just change the place where you sleep. Maybe a bit expensive but on the other side you save the cost of accomodation in Berlin for Friday night.
I'm not saying everybody should do it, but Berlin is one of the lucky destinations well connected to CH/ZH with NightJets so it's worth thinking about it. I'm actually considering it myself, I had very good experiences in the past going from ZH to Croatia with night trains.

For daily trains the rule of thumb in the transportation community is more or less as follows: for travel times below 4 hours the train can beat the plane (e.g. Paris-Lyon, Milan-Rome), above 6 hours it becomes a niche market. 8 hours, I did it once, not looking forward to it (in this I agree with you!).

Belgianmum 09.06.2022 17:57

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Originally Posted by venetian (Post 3415621)
With the night train mentioned above you can spend the full week working in CH and the full weekend in Berlin, you just change the place where you sleep. Maybe a bit expensive but on the other side you save the cost of accomodation in Berlin for Friday night.
I'm not saying everybody should do it, but Berlin is one of the lucky destinations well connected to CH/ZH with NightJets so it's worth thinking about it. I'm actually considering it myself, I had very good experiences in the past going from ZH to Croatia with night trains.

For daily trains the rule of thumb in the transportation community is more or less as follows: for travel times below 4 hours the train can beat the plane (e.g. Paris-Lyon, Milan-Rome), above 6 hours it becomes a niche market. 8 hours, I did it once, not looking forward to it (in this I agree with you!).

We donít all live in Zurich.;)

I did Neuch‚tel to Brussels once with a change in Basel. It is not something I will ever do again.

roegner 09.06.2022 18:00

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Originally Posted by venetian (Post 3415621)
Maybe a bit expensive but on the other side you save the cost of accomodation in Berlin for Friday night.

No need for that, I have a place there.

PS; as far as I saw last time I checked, there is no direct connection? Has that been changed now?

blackbird 09.06.2022 21:11

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There are direct ICE from Basel to Berlin, no connections necessary.

roegner 09.06.2022 21:18

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 3415677)
There are direct ICE from Basel to Berlin, no connections necessary.

Thanks. I live just outside of Zurich.

koahiatamadl 09.06.2022 21:22

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415072)
As I said we are lucky to have that option but it still takes two days either end of a visit for us to travel to see my family.
The vast majority of posters on EF are probably not wanting to travel to the uk and even those that are may not have the luxury of having the time needed to travel by car or train so plane travel Ós their only option.

Excluding long-haul flights - unless your destination is close to the arrival airport you may be surprised. Door to door it takes me about 12 hrs to drive to the UK, via the tunnel vs 8 hrs to fly, pick up a hire car and drive up into coastal Suffolk. It would take longer to get to my final destination without a car. At that point it’s a day any way you look at it but driving along in my car is infinitely more relaxing.

For my first post pandemic flight back to the UK in late March it took me ten hrs - most efficient ZRH experience i can recall but nothing but delays at every single step once we had taxied to our arrival gate at Heathrow, this did include waiting to get off the plane, to go through passport control, an hr for Enterprise to give me a car (at 11pm) and road closures…so in July I’m driving again.

Treverus 09.06.2022 22:23

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Originally Posted by venetian (Post 3415621)
With the night train mentioned above you can spend the full week working in CH and the full weekend in Berlin, you just change the place where you sleep. Maybe a bit expensive but on the other side you save the cost of accomodation in Berlin for Friday night.
I'm not saying everybody should do it, but Berlin is one of the lucky destinations well connected to CH/ZH with NightJets so it's worth thinking about it. I'm actually considering it myself, I had very good experiences in the past going from ZH to Croatia with night trains.

For daily trains the rule of thumb in the transportation community is more or less as follows: for travel times below 4 hours the train can beat the plane (e.g. Paris-Lyon, Milan-Rome), above 6 hours it becomes a niche market. 8 hours, I did it once, not looking forward to it (in this I agree with you!).

Iíve been to Berlin last weekend and decided to go at least 1-2 times more this year. Flights for the weekend are at great times and cost around 100 chf return on easy jet and 160 on SwissÖ I donít know about you but I prefer to spend Friday night in Berlin than on the train.

minimimi 09.06.2022 23:48

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415603)

Business travellers are also more likely to go by plane unless itís a straightforward rail journey.

I agree.

It also takes much less time if travelling business or with a higher level miles card. E.g. Swiss business or star alliance gold check-in closes 30 minutes before the flight, hardly any security or boarding queue. Usually priority with baggage delivery as well. It is a much faster and predictable affair.

Also if you happen to be early at the airport you have lounge access and Swiss lounges are quite decent (not best but among better ones that I've visited so far).

IslanderInTheMountains 10.06.2022 00:14

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3415614)
If GVA could only have more trains with floor level access.

This! I'm always baffled when I get off a floor level train at Gare Cornavin only to be picked up by a train with stairs that goes to the airport.

minimimi 10.06.2022 00:17

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Originally Posted by IslanderInTheMountains (Post 3415706)
This! I'm always baffled when I get off a floor level train at Gare Cornavin only to be picked up by a train with stairs that goes to the airport.

Similar experience recently... Actually was not going to the airport but was with a stroller and had not expected a train going to the airport to be with stairs :confused:

greenmount 10.06.2022 00:18

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Originally Posted by koahiatamadl (Post 3415680)
Excluding long-haul flights - unless your destination is close to the arrival airport you may be surprised. Door to door it takes me about 12 hrs to drive to the UK, via the tunnel vs 8 hrs to fly, pick up a hire car and drive up into coastal Suffolk. It would take longer to get to my final destination without a car. At that point it’s a day any way you look at it but driving along in my car is infinitely more relaxing.

For my first post pandemic flight back to the UK in late March it took me ten hrs - most efficient ZRH experience i can recall but nothing but delays at every single step once we had taxied to our arrival gate at Heathrow, this did include waiting to get off the plane, to go through passport control, an hr for Enterprise to give me a car (at 11pm) and road closures…so in July I’m driving again.

And with two drivers is even more relaxing. :)

Travelling for business is something else..

bowlie 10.06.2022 07:58

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Only the long haul trains going to the German speaking areas, and regional trains that stop everywhere, have floor level doors. In particular the Valais destined trains connecting the airport to ski resorts, that Hannibal took, are still in use.

Those trains are lucrative foreign currency spinners, and are not inexpensive as few tourists have the demi-prix card.

venetian 10.06.2022 08:28

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415624)
We donít all live in Zurich.;)

Of course :) I was just assuming Zurich airport as comparison, but yes, it's not the only one.

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 3415625)
PS; as far as I saw last time I checked, there is no direct connection? Has that been changed now?

It's being advertized as part of the night network. Northbound trains (Berlin, Hamburg, Amsterdam) call at Zurich and Basel.
https://www.sbb.ch/de/freizeit-ferie.../nachtzug.html

Biro 10.06.2022 09:04

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415613)
Exactly. It makes no sense to go by train for a weekend in Berlin.


It can do it you take a night train....


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