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Axa 07.06.2022 12:28

Swiss cancels flights for Summer 2022
 
Last week I got tickets for 2 summer trips via Swiss/Edelweiss. Today Blick advises me to shudder in fear :D

Well, I don't tremble but I'm bored. We know this afternoon which flights got cancelled :( Also, the reason for cancelled flights is not a surprise. People got fired from airlines, they found something else to do with their lives, and now not enough personnel.

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Swiss cancels holiday flights for thousands of passengers today!

Summer vacation starts in about a month. Many Swiss people will finally be traveling again this year after two years of corona restrictions. The anticipation of the beach and the sea is huge among the families. But anyone who wants to travel with the airline Swiss suddenly has to tremble about the summer holidays!

Blick knows: Swiss is canceling around 100 flights in July and August! This Tuesday afternoon, the unsuspecting passengers should be informed. According to Blick information, around 30,000 passengers are likely to be affected. The airline Swiss confirmed on request on Tuesday morning that a corresponding announcement should follow today.

According to the Lufthansa subsidiary, more than half of the passengers affected should be able to switch to another plane. With more than 15,000 passengers, it is therefore a matter of changing aircraft. The other passengers are hit harder: their flights are cancelled.

Not enough staff

The reason for the flight cancellations at the best travel time is the shortage of staff.
Swiss fired hundreds of flight attendants in 2021. This is now taking revenge because the demand for flights has risen sharply. The airline is currently trying to hire new crew members quickly. But time is against the Swiss.
https://www.blick.ch/wirtschaft/scho...d17556222.html

kri 07.06.2022 12:31

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I am fearful, been having a shit 2022 and I almost know this will be us....

roegner 07.06.2022 12:53

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I already had some flights cancelled some weeks ago (and being rebooked on other ones).

JackieH 07.06.2022 12:54

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Just booked to go via Tunnel - fingers crossed. Would not fly at the moment.

Castro 07.06.2022 13:08

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Wonder if this comment on the Blick site is true :msnsarcastic: I've got Swiss flights to Egypt in early Aug, as well as hotels, so if cancelled its going to be a nightmare try to find alternatives.

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Franz Meister

A ticket purchase is a purchase contract. Not enough staff is mismanagement and mistakes by Swiss and not "force majeure". Every buyer of a canceled ticket has the right, in addition to the refund, to receive at least the following compensation: short-haul 250€, medium-haul 400€, long-haul 600€. And just don't give up.

Axa 07.06.2022 13:24

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Something's rotten here. Swiss airlines got federal assistance back on 2020.....so, the tax money bought what?

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COVID-19: Federal Council fleshes out support for airlines

Bern, 29.04.2020 - During its meeting on 29 April 2020, the Federal Council decided to provide support to the airlines Swiss and Edelweiss to bridge liquidity shortfalls. In order to resume flight operations, airlines are dependent on the services provided by aviation-related businesses at the national airports. Consequently, these businesses should also receive support if necessary, provided that the stringent conditions imposed by the Confederation can be met.
https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...-id-78944.html

Belgianmum 07.06.2022 13:28

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Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3415021)
Just booked to go via Tunnel - fingers crossed. Would not fly at the moment.

Not everyone has the luxury of being able to get to where they need to go by other means.

We are very lucky to have that option, others aren’t.

TonyClifton 07.06.2022 13:28

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It's something being seen across the industry. Many airlines have been overbooking flights, KLM put in a pause on bookings, easyJet have been cancelling flights last minute, enormous queues at Dublin Airport. I've just decided to try and avoid flying until the industry gets its house in order.

Island Monkey 07.06.2022 13:34

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I’m flying Easyjst from GVA today, won’t believe it’s happening until we are wheels up!

Tom1234 07.06.2022 14:12

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3415028)
Something's rotten here. Swiss airlines got federal assistance back on 2020.....so, the tax money bought what?

Bonuses for the bosses?

JackieH 07.06.2022 14:40

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415031)
Not everyone has the luxury of being able to get to where they need to go by other means.

We are very lucky to have that option, others aren’t.

Of course- to UK from Switzerland either by car, or by train- is an option for the vast majority.

Treverus 07.06.2022 14:43

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It's a few selected flights... to specific destinations: London, Vienna (all customers are booked on Austrian flights), a few to Poland... all of which are just a reduction of the remaining connection. The only destination which gets kicked out for the summer is Nürnberg. Blick blows this up to "you gonna miss your summer vacation"... but in all honesty are there not that many people flying to the sunny coast of Nürnberg or Krakow... I bet these are the by far least booked routes so when the company had to streamline their flights they made the logical choices which will affect people the least possible.

Ato 07.06.2022 15:02

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Guess who just booked a flight to Dresden and is now mildly concerned...

Island Monkey 07.06.2022 15:10

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Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3415050)
Of course- to UK from Switzerland either by car, or by train- is an option for the vast majority.

Assuming you are actually travelling to the U.K. and have the extra time. It take us 2 days each way in the car and costs a lot more than flying.

Axa 07.06.2022 15:31

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3415031)
Not everyone has the luxury of being able to get to where they need to go by other means.

We are very lucky to have that option, others aren’t.

I have the option to take the train to Hamburg, then a Transatlantic cruise to NYC, and then fly to Mexico....Transatlantic flights are not mandatory :msntongue:

Well, as reported by 20min. Ato, it's your fault for choosing to fly to Dresden and not to a sunny coast :D

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Half of the passengers affected by the cancellations wanted to fly to Vienna with Swiss. Since Swiss is now canceling these flights, the trips are being carried out by sister company Austrian Airlines. There will also be one long-haul flight to San Francisco per week from Zurich, and the frequency of flights will also be reduced for the destinations Gdansk, Dresden and Warsaw. Only Nuremberg temporarily removed Swiss from the program completely between July and October. The frequency of flights from Geneva to London will be reduced by five flights per week.
https://www.20min.ch/story/swiss-str...e-794944068175

minimimi 07.06.2022 15:33

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Maybe just because I am in Europe but European companies seem to be affected the most from the workforce shortages whereas they are among those that received most help either directly from goverments or via partial payments to employees. Something is odd...

This particular Swiss move to me seems like attempt from Lufthansa to make the flight system among daughter companies more efficient total profit-wise...

Ato 07.06.2022 15:41

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3415059)

Well, as reported by 20min. Ato, it's your fault for choosing to fly to Dresden and not to a sunny coast :D

Damned people having weddings in all the wrong places.

NotAllThere 07.06.2022 15:56

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Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3415021)
Just booked to go via Tunnel - fingers crossed. Would not fly at the moment.

Our flight to Gatwick was cancelled just as we were about to head to the airport. So we hopped into the car and drove. Fortunately, we have three drivers. Went through the tunnel at about 10pm - empty almost, apart from Romanian registered vans. It was quite a feat booking the tickets, filling in the API and uploading covid certificates (still was required Folkestone->Calais) using my mobile in the back of the car.

Fuel, tolls and crossing still cost less than we'd paid for the plane tickets, which we've applied for a refund. I've applied for compensation but I'm not expecting any.

Treverus 07.06.2022 16:05

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Originally Posted by minimimi (Post 3415060)
Maybe just because I am in Europe but European companies seem to be affected the most from the workforce shortages whereas they are among those that received most help either directly from goverments or via partial payments to employees. Something is odd...

This particular Swiss move to me seems like attempt from Lufthansa to make the flight system among daughter companies more efficient total profit-wise...

European as compared to British or the rest of the world? Swiss is cancelling 100 flights over a period of two months and informs everyone around 4-8 weeks in advance.

Easy Jet cancelled 200 (!) flights on a single weekend two weeks ago and then another 200 for the following days - pretty much all the ones in and out of the UK. Allegedly "IT issues" but everyone knows its labour shortage in the UK. Oh, and last Sunday they cancelled another 80 flights: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61607531

All in all about five times the issues of Swiss and no end in sight.

The reason we dont discuss the US is because the US is far away... but they have more of the same issues we have.

Belgianmum 07.06.2022 16:12

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Originally Posted by JackieH (Post 3415050)
Of course- to UK from Switzerland either by car, or by train- is an option for the vast majority.

As I said we are lucky to have that option but it still takes two days either end of a visit for us to travel to see my family.
The vast majority of posters on EF are probably not wanting to travel to the uk and even those that are may not have the luxury of having the time needed to travel by car or train so plane travel îs their only option.

minimimi 07.06.2022 16:15

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3415070)
European as compared to British or the rest of the world? Swiss is cancelling 100 flights over a period of two months and informs everyone around 4-8 weeks in advance.

Europe including British vs the rest, e.g. Asia

marton 07.06.2022 16:16

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 3415056)
Assuming you are actually travelling to the U.K. and have the extra time. It take us 2 days each way in the car and costs a lot more than flying.

Plus I always arrive in the UK with a headache after overnighting in the Champagne capital Rheims.

bowlie 07.06.2022 16:36

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If you are travelling with a network airline like Swiss or Lufthansa, Air France, etc yhey will attempt to get you to your destination. Often they will successfully but the timing may stink.

With the so called low cost airlines their only obligation is to give you a refund regardless that you just want to get to your destination and perhaps compensation. But for that you have to apply and wait, and reject a voucher, and wait, and reject a voucher again, etc.

I don’t include that Spanish airline “British” Airlines in this as they are worse than the LCCs.

NotAllThere 07.06.2022 17:33

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For EasyJet I've not had trouble getting a refund and any additional expenses covered. But it can take a while. I got caught by vouchers in the early days of the pandemic - and they'll only refund those as new vouchers.

People sometimes confuse compensation with refunds/expenses. They're two different processes.

Treverus 07.06.2022 17:58

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Originally Posted by minimimi (Post 3415074)
Europe including British vs the rest, e.g. Asia

It’s the same, but here it makes the news. Big parts of Asia are still on a very reduced schedule with many restrictions in place but the bits that are open experience the same.

The US is also a total chaos for air travel, but the school schootings are bigger news.

Biro 07.06.2022 20:24

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 3415075)
Plus I always arrive in the UK with a headache after overnighting in the Champagne capital Rheims.


Maybe think about drinking better quality champagne ? ;)

minimimi 07.06.2022 21:13

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I could not see a list of cancelled flights yet. If someone has seen/sees would be great if you could share the link.

JackieH 07.06.2022 21:41

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 3415075)
Plus I always arrive in the UK with a headache after overnighting in the Champagne capital Rheims.

Ah that is another story. We always do the journey in one go, but we don't have to go up north- either Surrey or East Midlands. But yes, I am aware many here on EF do not have that option.

Just buy Champagne and drink it when you get to UK or back home! Simple.

Hausamsee 08.06.2022 08:00

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It's not like people don't know the risks is it? This was a major pandemic, thousands were affected and many people lost their lives so it's just a case of putting things in perspective. I make a plan B everytime I make a plan A.

I have a business related to the travel industry and it's a nightmare restarting what used to be a flourishing entity. I don't know who is available, what has restarted and what hasn't, where to go for transportation, etc. I will admit that the biggest problem is the people part, I can spend days on end on the phone to solve these puzzles whilst my booking (with huge expectations and paid in advance) edges closer... it's hell, believe me.

roegner 08.06.2022 08:10

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Just had a couple of flights cancelled but was rebooked on an earlier flight. As both flights are often packed, some people must have lucked out.

bowlie 08.06.2022 08:11

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All Zurich- San Francisco flights are cancelled.

If you are booked on a LX flight that has been cancelled you will have heard from them by now.

kiwiguy08 08.06.2022 08:33

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Originally Posted by Ato (Post 3415061)
Damned people having weddings in all the wrong places.


worst case, you can get to Dresden in about 8.5 hours with a train form ZH

kiwiguy08 08.06.2022 08:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3415028)
Something's rotten here. Swiss airlines got federal assistance back on 2020.....so, the tax money bought what?



https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...-id-78944.html

Its an own goal by many of these airlines that for no forced reason required their employees to be vaccinated. Now we are seeing the chickens come home to roost. (Swiss, United, American come to mind)

blackbird 08.06.2022 09:23

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According to this news, there is only one weekly flight to san francisco being cancelled,less flights on routes to Danzig, Dresden or Warschau.
From Geneva there will be 5 flights less per week to london then before.
Between July and October there will be no flights between Zurich and Nürnberg.
Between Zurich and Vienna all Swiss Flights will be done by austrian airlines
in the timespan of July 04th to Sep 04 th 2022.

https://www.blick.ch/wirtschaft/scho...d17556222.html

bowlie 08.06.2022 09:34

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From WRS

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Weekend travel around Europe was chaotic with airlines cancelling hundreds of flights and stranding many travellers.

SWISS International Airlines is adding to the pain and has announced that it will be cancelling around 100 flights between July and August.

The unsuspecting passengers were told yesterday afternoon. It’s likely to affect 30,000 people, says the airline.

It’s mainly short-haul, but the weekly flight from Zurich to San Francisco is cancelled.

From Geneva, there’ll be five fewer flights a week to London.

The main reason for the problems is not enough staff. The airlines fired hundreds during the pandemic - and now can’t fill positions fast enough.

robBob 08.06.2022 09:40

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Now that's what I call a Swiss miss. ;)

roegner 08.06.2022 09:41

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Well, at least they announce this in a timely manner. Not as with some other airlines when people are already at the airport.....

Belgianmum 08.06.2022 10:02

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 3415186)
According to this news, there is only one weekly flight to san francisco being cancelled.

Swiss only operate one weekly flight to San Francisco so anyone travelling there will have to use an alternative airline.


As Roegner says they are at least giving people advanced notice so they have time to make alternative arrangements unlike other airlines who have been leaving people high and dry.

MattyRedSox 08.06.2022 10:25

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We always use the "name" carriers (Lufthansa, Swiss, ANA, Cathay, Singapore, Emirates, and so on). A lifetime ago, I worked for one of the better UK carriers, and you certainly got what you paid for back then, and nowadays, it's certainly even more true.

It sucks that so many flights are cancelled and that prices are higher, yet safety should always be the number one consideration, followed by reliability of getting there in a reasonable manner. If price is your number one factor for choosing, you are likely to get bitten in the ass at some point, whether stranded at an airport, unexpected cancellations without a back up plan, and then having to spend extra money anyway.

Of course, if you are traveling solo (or with a like minded adult), and time is not a concern, and final destination is flexible, that it's all just an adventure, and airport waits and hotel reservations don't matter, going cheap can work... but for folks traveling with family, and trying to maximise holiday time, it's generally not worth the "savings."

JackieH 08.06.2022 10:28

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3415173)
All Zurich- San Francisco flights are cancelled.

If you are booked on a LX flight that has been cancelled you will have heard from them by now.

Got friends coming over from San Fran, flying back from GVA next week- fingers crossed.


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