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Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

I'm hopping right now.
I have just had my second MOT in two weeks & they have failed it again.
1st one was for a hairline crack in a rear light cover & they said one of the brakes wasn't quite up to scratch - fair enough. I asked them if that was it - "yes" & they wrote a brief report for my mechanic.
I had all the work done & have just taken it back for the re-test and another guy there has just failed it again, this time saying that the wheels are not the correct ones for the vehicle and that the front left fog light is angled to low!

Why the F**k did they not tell me about these things the first time round so I could sort them out for the re-test - esspecially the wheels. (Which is a complete mystery to me - the car is an Audi A6 & the wheels are original Audi wheels off another A6 & I've seen the same wheels on numerous other A6's, including my father in law's).

Anyone else had similar frustrations?
I'm going to complain officially about not being informed about the latest failures on the first test report.

Sorry if I'm rambling - but God, I'm annoyed.
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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

Seems strange. but this is just a quick comment on the wheels. When I bought my new car with alu-wheels/rims, I was given an extra certificate, that the specific model of wheel/rims had been specific tested with my car. I was told I need this certificate, even if I change wheels/rims I need to have a new certificate. This is apparently needed for all cars and maybe some thing they missed during the first check, since they might have assumed that since the wheels where from an Audi, that you still had the original wheels on. Now prolly the new MOT guy fine checked and saw the numbers didn't match up.
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Why the F**k did they not tell me about these things the first time round so I could sort them out for the re-test - esspecially the wheels. (Which is a complete mystery to me - the car is an Audi A6 & the wheels are original Audi wheels off another A6 & I've seen the same wheels on numerous other A6's, including my father in law's).

I sympathise. I had the same problem in France with a Barchetta and the French CT. They argued that the wheels were not the right size for the car. My car had 17" Momo alloys fitted, within the size range for the car as stated in the Fiat hand book. But because the French CT 'book' had the car with the standard 15" wheels they went to fail it. A big row started but in the end I walked away with the CT pas and my car still had it's big fancy boots, because I had the supporting evidence of the handbook. This was made more frustrating as I was in a bloody Fiat dealership

Do the wheels fitted to your Audi, fall within the size range allowable for the car in the handbook and that's why the failed you?, But even so you'd think the first guy would have said something or did they just stop when the found the fail items?
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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

I have to say that the pr*cks at the Strassenvekhersamt are notorious among both the Swiss and Ex-pats for their unpredictable nature.
When I sent my 1935 Velocette to be examined and registered, I sent it with my engineer. They sent him straight back, basically accusing him of building the bike himself from spare parts, as the make and model were not on their system.
Before they would look at it I had to provide the following information:

Weight
Length
Power in HP
Capacity
Cylinder bore
Gear ratios
Fuel tank capacity
Compression ratio
Stroke length

So a 2 weeks later, armed with all this info, and various books from my library off he went again. Total delay: 14 days, total cost: twice what it ought to have been. They even tried to claim that the brand new tyres were perished (even though they still had all the little rubber spikes on them). Luckily the engineer managed to negotiate a certificate out of them on a promise to change the tyres. One day I'll buy a new set of tyres from him.

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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

Right. I had no idea about a certificate that is needed for wheels.
The history is that I bought the car from my father in law last year when he upgraded and only with one set of wheels which have winter tyres on.
The wheels on it at the moment have the summer tyres on which I bought in March this year when I was over in the UK - I researched what I needed and my mechanic in London, who is a genuine guy & specialises in German cars - confirmed & found them for me & they were almost brand new when I purchased them as well. (i bought them in the UK as a new set is half the price there)

TBH, I'm still confused as to why they are being so anal about a set of wheels that are original Audi wheels for that make of car, but if that is so, then so be it - I just wish they'd told me first time round so I could have changed them over - If you're going to be that anal then at least make sure your own checks match that attitude.
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Right. I had no idea about a certificate that is needed for wheels.
The history is that I bought the car from my father in law last year when he upgraded and only with one set of wheels which have winter tyres on.
The wheels on it at the moment have the summer tyres on which I bought in March this year when I was over in the UK - I researched what I needed and my mechanic in London, who is a genuine guy & specialises in German cars - confirmed & found them for me & they were almost brand new when I purchased them as well. (i bought them in the UK as a new set is half the price there)

TBH, I'm still confused as to why they are being so anal about a set of wheels that are original Audi wheels for that make of car, but if that is so, then so be it - I just wish they'd told me first time round so I could have changed them over - If you're going to be that anal then at least make sure your own checks match that attitude.
Put the winter wheelss on for testing as they will never accept British supplied ones without a certificate.

Maybe an Audi dealer here will issue a certificate for the winter wheels to be 100% sure. This wheel business is something they have become very hot on in recent years....
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Put the winter wheelss on for testing as they will never accept British supplied ones without a certificate.

Maybe an Audi dealer here will issue a certificate for the winter wheels to be 100% sure. This wheel business is something they have become very hot on in recent years....
My car is still on French plates, and I won't be registering it here until March next year when I move over full time. My Laguna has a set of Renault alloys fitted that where standard for the car, but I don't have a certificate for them, how troublesome is that likely to be?

I was going to get a set of steelies when I go back to France next week as they are quite a bit cheaper, so I can fit winter boots to them... but maybe I won't bother now... thoughts please
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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

I've been digging around on the internet & cross ref-ing with all the manual tech info, the vehicle cert info & the tech spec sheet for my exact model from the Strassenvekhersamt.

Nothing about exact wheels in the Manual or on the vehicle cert.

But according to the Strassenvekhersamt spec sheet, for the engine size & model of A6 I have, I'm allowed wheels that are 6x15 ET45 & 7x16 ET45.

The ones on it at the moment are 7x17 ET45.

This is probably why my F. in Law's are allowed, mine's a 2.4 quattro, his is a 3.0L.

So apparently, I'm not allowed 17" rims in Switzerland.
F**k me, this is anal!
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I was going to get a set of steelies when I go back to France next week as they are quite a bit cheaper, so I can fit winter boots to them... but maybe I won't bother now... thoughts please
I would now say, get a spec sheet for your exact make, model, engine size etc from the Strassenvekhersamt before doing anything!
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I've been digging around on the internet & cross ref-ing with all the manual tech info, the vehicle cert info & the tech spec sheet for my exact model from the Strassenvekhersamt.

Nothing about exact wheels in the Manual or on the vehicle cert.

But according to the Strassenvekhersamt spec sheet, for the engine size & model of A6 I have, I'm allowed wheels that are 6x15 ET45 & 7x16 ET45.

The ones on it at the moment are 7x17 ET45.

This is probably why my F. in Law's are allowed, mine's a 2.4 quattro, his is a 3.0L.

So apparently, I'm not allowed 17" rims in Switzerland.
F**k me, this is anal!
You are allowed 17" rims, but you need a certificate for them. Any Audi dealer will be able to explain. Do you get it serviced here? Ususally if you tell the garage that the car is going for the test, the will check such things.

Again, putting the winter tyres on should npot be a problem...
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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

You have my sympathy. I went through weeks of pain with the jerks at the STVA in Zürich. I had grief with them over two cars. The first was a Renault Laguna that we brought with us when we moved here from Germany. The STVA required a Letter of Conformity to prove that the car was built to EU standards - no arguments against this worked, event the one about the car was made in France which is an EU member country and sold in Germany - another EU member country. They still insisted on the poxy bit of paper which any Renault importer is happy to provide for you at a cost of CHF 220. The next was with the MOT (MFK) for a second hand car I bought here in Zürich which had alloy wheels fitted. Same crap that you're now dealing with about non-standard wheels. Luckily for me, my local tyre dealer where I had the brand new tyres fitted before the MOT knew what to do. He phoned a pal that worked at the Swiss importer for the wheels (BBS wheels by the way, not some cheap junk) and got a "Certificate of Appropriateness" for the wheels. This wondrous document is issued by the manufacturer and states that the wheels are suitable for that particular vehicle application. You will need this certificate, there's no way around it. The STVA will check it and if happy they'll stamp it and you must keep it the vehicle log book which you are supposed to have with you in the vehicle at all times.

Welcome to Switzerland, it can be very anal here when dealing with the authorities. Relax a bit though, you only have this amount of pain the first time you're dealing with officialdom, after that it's easier (probably because you know what to expect).

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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

My fullest sympathies.

We have had a similar experience.

A bunch of jobsworths, utter tossers, the lot of them.
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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

Just passed the MFK with flying colors...

It seem the secret is to have your mechanic take the car to do the test.

Well worth paying for an hour or two of his time, IMO.
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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

I've heard countless similar stories regarding "aftermarket" parts fitted to vehicles. I often wonder how all the chavved up hot hatches around here get through the MFK without a full rebuild!.

I had a small problem with my last MFK- I bought my car second hand in a private sale and the car has a (lovely!) sports exhaust. Come MFK time, and I had to get a certificate for the exhaust from the manufacturer. The fact that I had the original certificate from the manudfacturer made no difference as the car had a different license plate! Can they not check the chassis number or something? ing ridiculous. Presumably, if you treated yourself to a personal plate, you'd have to then get another certificate for your spare parts. I don't get it!
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Seems strange. but this is just a quick comment on the wheels. When I bought my new car with alu-wheels/rims, I was given an extra certificate, that the specific model of wheel/rims had been specific tested with my car. I was told I need this certificate, even if I change wheels/rims I need to have a new certificate. This is apparently needed for all cars and maybe some thing they missed during the first check, since they might have assumed that since the wheels where from an Audi, that you still had the original wheels on. Now prolly the new MOT guy fine checked and saw the numbers didn't match up.
They did the same thing to me on the wheels. You have to get
an "Eignungserklärung für die Felgen" or "Suitability declaration for
the rims" roughly translated into English.

I thought the guy was crazy, and then I asked the car dealer.
She said they were right and sent me the document.

Of course, I had to pay another 60 CHF to have the car
inspected again.
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Re: Swiss MOT - I'm really angry.

One thing I really like though with the system here (in some Cantons) is that for minor faults you can just go to the garage and they sign a form that the fault has been corrected. I.e. you don't need to go the inspection site again.
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They did the same thing to me on the wheels. You have to get
an "Eignungserklärung für die Felgen" or "Suitability declaration for
the rims" roughly translated into English.

I thought the guy was crazy, and then I asked the car dealer.
She said they were right and sent me the document.

Of course, I had to pay another 60 CHF to have the car
inspected again.
Thanks for that, I was racking my brains trying to remember the term the Swiss use for that.
Cheers
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It seem the secret is to have your mechanic take the car to do the test.
Are you suggesting that official mechanics will get a bit of nod & wink preferential treatment?
'cause my guy just fixed everything asked of by the STVA from the first test and they didn't question any of it 2nd time round - just found new stuff (which is what has really boiled my urine).
What would the mechanic have been able to do about this in person?

Still, it's a little comfort to know that I'm obviously far from alone with this
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