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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

Has anyone else noticed the number of ticket checks has increased over the past few weeks?
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Has anyone else noticed the number of ticket checks has increased over the past few weeks?
I'd noticed that. They seem to have a sudden rush for a month or so, and then it goes quiet for a bit.

Though late trains are always checked. Not sure what that says about the morals and trustworthiness of us night owls...
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Old 14.03.2009, 12:51
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

Another reason I go for the monthly pass is to treat it as an insurance against these increasing ticket inspections, not only on trains that ply the route to my residence, but lately on trams and buses.
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

With regards to the "Nachtzuschlag" additional late night charge, these can very handly by purchased via sms on your swiss mobile phone and its billed to your phone bill. Then you simply whip it out and hey presto, so if you've run to catch the train key it in quick and you're safe from controls and possible fines just show the text message you receive.

Steps are as follows:

1. Write the following Text into an sms "ZVVNZ"
2. Send sms to 988

You'll then receive an sms back which is your additional night time ticket...

I was informed of this by a very friendly control one night... Since then, the text "ZVVNZ" is in my templates and the number 988 is stored in my contacts

(Note this is valid for the Zurich Public Transport... not sure about other networks)
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Hi, I got a fine for traveling on the night train.

I Honestly did not know that you needed a special ticket for travelling on the NX trains.
Unfortunately ignorance is no excuse for not knowing the law

You cannot contest breaking the rules due to ignorance.

I sympathise for you, but the best thing is accept you were in the wrong, pay the fine and get on with life.
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Old 14.03.2009, 13:57
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

@ Ouchboy

The additional night fare costs about 5.- so I would suggest you do present them with a copy of both your valid Gleis 7 card and the copy of the ticket you bought which costs 5.10. You technically had the wrong ticket but did not cheat the SBB out of any money (infact you over-paid by 0.1). Under these circumstances the controller was clearly a "grumpy chef" and hopefully with an understanding case manager you'll have the fine overturned. However, do expect an administative fee of around 30.-
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Old 14.03.2009, 17:12
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

Thanks everyone,

at @Lynn, That's my taking on this too. It just needs a little of lateral thinking on part of the controller , because i did show them both and explain it to it.

@jrspet, I posted this like at 3 am and you replied back like 10 min after, dont u sleep? or do you have a graveyard shift?


@ Douglas Brakfast, I agree that not knowing the rules is no excuse. fair point. But from that as to clearly see and r efuse overturn a "conviction" based on credible evidence is just narrow minded IMHO.

I used to live in Australia and have to say that the simplicity of the system there was rather amazing, and somewhat eliminated the need for these controllers.

I will post the end of this "lesson learned"

By the way, If you want get caught and want to be nice to the other "offenders" on the train, you might want to hold off the controller as long as possible so that the others can get off at the next stop. take one for the "offending team". Hopefully enough of them get off so your 80 CHF are covered. :P.
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

LOL...I got my first on the day that I picked up my Visa in Milan. I was on the train from Kloten to Hbf and thought I had purchased the correct monthly ticket. I showed the Conductor my new Visa and asked if this was part of the official "Welcome Package." Needless to say, he was not amused and told me that I should know better to purchase the wrong ticket.

I wrote to the authorities, gave my sob story, and they actually cut my fine 50%...but gave me the advice that one must use in CH...namely that the rules are the rules and not knowing them is not a worthy excuse.

Good luck and welcome!

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PS - It seems that conductors are not allowed to "think laterally," just enforce rules. Quite common procedure in many countries, unfortunately.

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I think it's part of your initiation to Switzerland - to get fined the first time and then decide that you need to read a million transport rules to make sure it never happens again...

If it helps any, I got picked up within three weeks of arriving, one stop outside my 'zone'...with a baby, stroller and everything...I just paid the fine and racked it up to 'experience'...

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@jrspet, I posted this like at 3 am and you replied back like 10 min after, dont u sleep? or do you have a graveyard shift?

I was, err, supposed to be writing a paper when I saw your thread and decided to share my experience.

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I used to live in Australia and have to say that the simplicity of the system there was rather amazing, and somewhat eliminated the need for these controllers.
The system rewards cheats as I recall in Sydney and in Brisbane. All one had to do was to sneak into the train which was very easy from smaller stops ( although it is difficult to sneak out in major stops such as Wynyard but easy on other smaller stops, thus a "free" ride ).

Over here, the honour / trust system works and makes you pay if caught abusing that, with an avenue to appeal if you can prove you aren't a mere fare evader. The system here, while appearing to be complicated, is highly integrated, just and efficient - fare evaders are politely notified and treated.
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

I forgot to validate my Mehrfahrtkarte after a few enjoyable beers. Naturally enough, the inspectors came on, so I just went up to one of them, explained what I'd neglected to do, and took out a 100 CHF from my wallet. They said, oh, don't pay now, and gave me an Einzahlungschein for 80 CHF.

My irritation at my own mistake was somewhat mollified when I found out a few weeks later that we'd forgotten to renew the kids travel cards about 5 months earlier, and had got away with...
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With regards to the "Nachtzuschlag" additional late night charge, these can very handly by purchased via sms on your swiss mobile phone and its billed to your phone bill.
Excellent tip. I also learnt this last night when I came racing onto the SN7 without buying a night ticket, straight into the arms of the ticket inspectors. I didn't have any freeloading intent, I had just badly misjudged how long it would take me to get back to the HB from the nightclub we'd been in. Immediately explained this to the inspectors and one of them was nice enough to tell me the SMS tip.

I'm glad you've posted the details here, because I was way too drunk last night to remember the details.

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I used to live in Australia and have to say that the simplicity of the system there was rather amazing, and somewhat eliminated the need for these controllers.
Having also come from Australia I would have to say the system here is VASTLY superior. No need to faff about with gates, and the convenience of a properly integrated ticketing system cannot be overstated (to say nothing of the simplicity of the zone-based, 1-or-24-hour tickets here).

In fact, having now experienced public transport in London, Paris and New York, I would have to say the public transport systems I've used in Australia (primarily Brisbane and Sydney) are barely even in the same league. We have friends in London and when I hear them whinging about the Tube, all I can think to myself is "you have no idea how good you have it".

Also, despite the much greater controls at the 'gateways' into and out of systems in Australia, in my experience ticket inspectors are far more common (and required) back home. It probably doesn't help that public transport there is (relatively speaking) expensive.

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Yes, I travelled once on a two-stop local service with a bike and heavy baggage to Lausanne at 9PM. I was in a rush, my bike pass had run out a month earlier and although I had a GA in 1st Class for the previous 4 years they wouldn't let the bike misdemeanour go even though I was planning to pay in Lausanne (I would have paid on the ICN to Zuerich anyway).

I was very surprised that they busted me for it. When a little common-sense would have done. It still rankles with me as unforgiveable...
So you didn't have a bike ticket because you were busy for a whole month after your bike pass had run out?
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

I managed to get away with it completely a few weeks back; I was in a bit of a rush and didn't stamp my multiple journey ticket. When the inspectors got to me, I used the I-don't-speak-German-I-only-speak-French excuse. I think that flustered her a bit and she couldn't be bothered to deal with it in French, so she let me off .
Note, this was travelling from Bern Bümpliz Sud to Villars-sur-Glâne, just outside Fribourg.
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

On the ZVV ticket machines the code for a Nachtzuschlag is *162.

By the way if you forget to stamp a multi ticket you can write the time and date in one of the blank spaces (the times I had to do it I used the last position) the inspector will accept it as having been cancelled. Obviously you can't do it while he's standing over you getting his machine out to fine you.
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Old 17.03.2009, 00:31
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

We experienced similar last year, when we were travelling with my gf from Zurich back towards Baden. We stayed way too long after midnight and in a rush back home we just didnt buy a surcharge to our normal daily tariff. After sincere and honest explaining and uttering excuses the controller handed to us only a single fine equal to CHF80 instead of two separate fines equivalent to the double of what we should have paid, hadnt he been so considerate and understanding to us. Luckily we came across somebody with heart. I just humbly paid the due fine and end of the story. Just piece of advice pay your fine and get over it
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Old 17.03.2009, 14:22
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On the ZVV ticket machines the code for a Nachtzuschlag is *162.
By the way if you forget to stamp a multi ticket you can write the time and date in one of the blank spaces (the times I had to do it I used the last position) the inspector will accept it as having been cancelled. Obviously you can't do it while he's standing over you getting his machine out to fine you.
Just to make sure no-one gets the wrong idea here, please read this information from the SBB Homepage concerning cancelling/validating a ticket before you try it. Even if it has been successfully done many times, that doesn't mean that it is officially permitted. 'Someone on the English Forum said it is OK' is not really a valid argument!
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Re: Train Fine for not having night ticket Can anyone advise?

Thanks all for the responses. I got my ticket down to 30 CHF. so yeey me.

I still think that the ticket machines are horribly programmed.

To the people who live in Oz:

You might be right service wise, BUT, for me it made a lot more sense 1 ticket for everything, no special surcharge. I did not have to worry about being night or anything so that was cool. Also a monthly tix in Brisbane meant a monthly ticket, not a monthly tix except at night when the train is the last one or the citycat.

Anywho thanks to all. I will keep in mind the thing with the sms.
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