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Yes this has happened to me 28 77.78%
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I do this often, its ok to do this in Switzerland 0 0%
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Old 21.05.2009, 13:35
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Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

Last night I got stopped by the Police and accused for "tailgating" being to close too another car when this car over took the Police car with no indication the driver just pulled out and came into my lane when I was only approx 20 meters from overtaking the Police car, the Police stated that I was too close to the car infront of me, but they did not consider the fact that the driver had just pulled out infront of me with no warning, they did not attempt to stop and question the other driver and the Police car was an unmarked old volvo v40 estate car in grey colour.

Have you ever had this happen too you another driver just pulling out with no consideration to other persons in the same lane?
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

The Swiss as a general rule seem to dislike indicating... I see it daily.
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Old 21.05.2009, 14:09
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The Swiss as a general rule seem to dislike indicating... I see it daily.
Not only the Swiss
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Old 21.05.2009, 14:26
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

Yes nearly everytime i am on the road
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Old 21.05.2009, 14:26
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

I just wanted to let you all know that, I set up this thread because I drive back to my main home almost every week when I drive back home to Vaud at the end of the week from Zurich, I come up against these type of drivers, it just seems that some licenses are issued from a "crakerjack box" or "Jamboree bag" and yes I do understand that there are other nationalities over here that may come from nearly well mannered countries such as all of us EF members but it just really gets to me how the Police can be so ignorant to what they should have seen a poor driving from another than myself.

I did see some poster on the roads stating keep your distance when driving but if this was put together by the law over here then maybe they need to put up new ones about over taking in highways in Switzerland ie. "due care and attention"!

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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

An experienced driver should always anticipate hazards. Pulling out without signalling is as common in Los Angeles, Sydney, Paris or London.

With more experience you would have dropped back to allow this idiot some space, but it appears you compounded his error, but showing him how stupid he was by hiding your number plate under his back bumper.

The same has happened to me (idiot pulling out without signalling) - 1000s of times. Don't forget you could have been in their blind spot and they simply didn't see you. The only difference being that the police never stopped me for tailgating...
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Well i've only had expeirence here and the UK so that's obviously what i'm basing my comments on. The UK never had much of a problem with it, I used to drive a fair distance every day. In fact i'd go as far as to say it's made me appreciate UK driving manners even more... we're not a bad bunch on the roads/
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

There is far too much tailgating and cutting up (overtaking and pulling back in immediately) on the Swiss motorways. Some drivers seem not even know it is wrong so I am glad the police are doing something about it.

I have often witnessed drivers here overtaking, pulling in and slowing down. I guess speed cameras contribute to this but all you can do as the overtaken driver is slow down and fume!
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Old 21.05.2009, 15:13
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There is far too much tailgating and cutting up (overtaking and pulling back in immediately) on the Swiss motorways. Some drivers seem not even know it is wrong so I am glad the police are doing something about it.

I have often witnessed drivers here overtaking, pulling in and slowing down. I guess speed cameras contribute to this but all you can do as the overtaken driver is slow down and fume!

Yes I agree, but they should have been undertanding the global picture when stopping me rather than just stopping me alone
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Old 21.05.2009, 16:06
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Yes I agree, but they should have been undertanding the global picture when stopping me rather than just stopping me alone
The "global picture" would also include, as I understand it, the police car itself which was travelling below what the conditions and speed limit allowed and was in itself a hazard which required other drivers to pass it...
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Old 21.05.2009, 17:00
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The "global picture" would also include, as I understand it, the police car itself which was travelling below what the conditions and speed limit allowed and was in itself a hazard which required other drivers to pass it...
Thats correct because nobody was passing the speed limit at this time
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Old 23.05.2009, 19:16
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

I'd have to say that general driving 'manners' (or should that be standards?) over here seem to be worse than the UK.
To qualify that, while there's muppets who should never have been given a license (or perhaps just don't have one!) everywhere, there seem to a higher percentage of them on the roads round here. It winds me a up a bit, so here comes a rant...

Every time I'm out on the roads here, I get tailgated - lots. Particularly when you come to change in speed limit. For instance, I was driving in Germany, near the Swiss border, yesterday and I came to some road works where the limit dropped from 70 to 50, then quickly to 30, as the road was being resurfaced. With loads of room between me and the car behind, I braked gently and slowed to 30. Within seconds the girl behind me was so close I couldn't even see her bonnet. She sat that close behind me looking quite angry that I'd slowed her down for the whole length of the road works
The same happens on motorways too - doesn’t matter what lane you're in, if the speed limit happens to drop there's always someone who'll sit up your arse instead of overtaking!

As for indicating - do they even fit them to Swiss and German cars? I almost never see anyone using them, be it for lane changes or for actually turning corners. On the same drive yesterday, I was almost totalled by a bus who decided to pull out of a lay-by-type stop. He started indicating as he was pulling out - and at the time I was alongside him! I had to swerve over to the other side of the road, fortunately with no oncoming traffic, to avoid getting hit - then he starts giving me hand 'signals'!!! Arghhh!

Like I said, I know there's complete bleeping muppets on every road network, and we all do stupid things sometimes, but I've never seen such a high prevalence of dodgy driving, not even in London!

OK, rant over!
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Old 23.05.2009, 21:32
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

the title of this thread is an oxymoron!
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Old 23.05.2009, 21:54
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

I remember the subject from my Theory classes in Denmark.

In Germany you must blink when switching Lane, because you change your driving direction.

In Denmark you should not blink, as you are not changing to another road.

Im sure somebody out there may know the swiss rules.

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Old 23.05.2009, 22:17
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For instance, I was driving in Germany, near the Swiss border, yesterday and I came to some road works where the limit dropped from 70 to 50, then quickly to 30, as the road was being resurfaced. With loads of room between me and the car behind, I braked gently and slowed to 30. Within seconds the girl behind me was so close I couldn't even see her bonnet. She sat that close behind me looking quite angry that I'd slowed her down for the whole length of the road works
The same happens on motorways too - doesn’t matter what lane you're in, if the speed limit happens to drop there's always someone who'll sit up your arse instead of overtaking!
Well, this is more a cultural difference than an aggressive female driver: In Germany, while people generally love rules, speed limits do not matter that much. Compared to Switzerland, the fines are a joke (I know there was a raise this year, but last year for example 30km too fast on the highway would be 50 Euro) and naturally, people behave accordingly: No police car would stop you and the cameras are set up to not even take a picture at ten km over the limit.
In short: If you do drive exactly 30 at a place where people cannot overtake you, you confuse and annoy them.

I do not want to start a discussion weather or not this is ok, I am only telling the way Germany works. The speeds might be too high for some, but therefore there are few people who pull out without looking or indicating as they do so frequently here: Those drivers are either dead or learned their lesson...

One of the reasons might be the driving education: To do the test in Germany, you mandatory need to drive at least two hours on the highway with an instructor.
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Old 23.05.2009, 22:21
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

I seriously want to outfit my car with Cameras so I can shop these idiots who tailgate to the Police.

I used to drive to Geneva each morning during rush hour from Nyon and boy is that not any fun. More switching lanes without the right amount of space and tailgating at over the speed limit is the norm for some of these folks. The constant weaving lanes to get past is sometimes insane.

One good thing here from a pedestrian point of view. Cars drivers when pulling out of driveways stop and actually reverse back to let you pass in front of the car. In the UK you always end up going around the back of the vehicle and choking on the exhaust fumes.
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Old 23.05.2009, 22:48
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Well, this is more a cultural difference than an aggressive female driver: In Germany, while people generally love rules, speed limits do not matter that much. Compared to Switzerland, the fines are a joke (I know there was a raise this year, but last year for example 30km too fast on the highway would be 50 Euro) and naturally, people behave accordingly: No police car would stop you and the cameras are set up to not even take a picture at ten km over the limit.
In short: If you do drive exactly 30 at a place where people cannot overtake you, you confuse and annoy them.
This is because the speed limit of 130KPH in Germany is recommended. Inappropriate speed and dangerous driving will be penalised. But driving at say 160KPH in light traffic in good condition is not an offence. However, you should bare in mind the accident statistics for Germany...
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Old 23.05.2009, 23:02
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Re: Motorway Common sense driving in Switzerland

As I understand it, it is an offence to drive too closely to the car in front of you. Try leaving that gap in front of you and someone will fill it. This happens to me on almost every trip, especially around the Nordring of Zürich. Are we saying that the police generally ignore someone who causes this danger by filling the gap ? Or has anyone heard of anyone being fined for squeezing in dangerously ?
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Old 23.05.2009, 23:08
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This is because the speed limit of 130KPH in Germany is recommended. Inappropriate speed and dangerous driving will be penalised. But driving at say 160KPH in light traffic in good condition is not an offence. However, you should bare in mind the accident statistics for Germany...
I grew up there, I am aware that the 130 are recommended. But against popular believe does this not mean that there cannot be any speed limit... most parts of the Autobahn in densely populated areas have speed limits by now. But speeding is by far not as penalized as here. I was serious when I said that the speed cams will not make a picture and you will not receive any bill if you are ten over the limit anywhere in Germany. Getting a ticket for a singular km too fast as it is common here would make it to the "weird news" section of some private TV channels. (No, the tolerance the police gives you here of an extra 3km does not mean that you can drive 53, this is the potential measurement fault of their equipment, nothing else.)

Sometimes I am over the recommended 130. Two years ago I once drove "a bit faster" and there was rather suddenly a speed limit of 120 (without obvious reasons for it). Just behind the sign was the camera and I surely saw the flash. I got a letter from the German police to Zurich to identify who was driving the car registered on my name. I admitted that it was me who drove 150 instead of 120. Here, more than 25 too fast on a highway would mean that I would not get simply a fine but have to visit a judge that would set up the fine according to my salary, my driving license would be gone for a long time and so on.
In Germany, 30km too far back then was around 50 Euro. According to the Internet that is as they never bothered to send me a bill after I admitted the offense. Looks like they thought the administrative work to be too big to get their money.

I do not want to encourage anyone to speed, but speed alone does not kill. Distance is the key and the mentioned tailgating and changing lane without looking are most probably the two largest causes for accidents after alcohol. Looks like this case was a bit unfair by the cops who should have stopped the other car for pulling out... but generally I think that mobile unmarked police catching tailgaters is way better than some fixed cams.
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This is because the speed limit of 130KPH in Germany is recommended. Inappropriate speed and dangerous driving will be penalised. But driving at say 160KPH in light traffic in good condition is not an offence. However, you should bare in mind the accident statistics for Germany...

Whilst you're doing that, maybe you could also bear in mind the vast difference in the number of vehicles and distances being travelling Germany compared with toytown Switzerland. Also bear in mind that only around 5% of roads in Germany are unlimited. Also bear in mind that many countries have a speed limit higher than 120 KPH and they don't all have extremely busy undertakers and Accident/Emergency units.

Oh and maybe come off the "Switzerland is far better at everything" pedestal? It gets a bit nauseating at times. There are genuinely some things in this place that are utter shite - road policing and driving attitudes are sometimes up there on this list. Defending moronic systems isn't clever, try having an objective view and perhaps admit that even in Eden there was apparently a snake in the grass
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