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Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

Thanks for the useful info posted on traveling around Switzerland - it's invaluable.

I'm looking to buy a TGV-Lyria Paris-Geneva ticket as well as a Swiss Pass, and I'm stumped by the "I have a Rail Pass" checkbox.

I wondering if the Swiss Pass purchased at the same time qualifies as a valid rail pass for this purpose, particularly as it won't be "validated" until I get it stamped in Geneva.

I'm lucky enough to be visiting Switzerland for the second time (flying into Paris next Sunday), and with such short notice I thought I'd missed any chance of a good price on the TGV tickets.

However, the Rail Europe (AU) website is offering me an almost unbelievable AU$18 Flexi first class fare direct Paris-Geneva with the "I have a Rail Pass" checkbox checked, compared with AU$150 Flexi 2nd class / AU$230 Flexi 1st class fares with the box unchecked.

The FAQs aren't any help: "All results that are displayed will show you fares that are valid for passes. To insure you select the correct fare for your pass view the details. All passes that are valid with each fare are listed in the details."

The fare details say nothing about passes, just "Exchangeable before train departure. Non refundable."

I have queried Rail Europe via their contact form, though it'll be Monday before they're back in the office, so I'm hoping the brain-trust here might know.
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Old 17.10.2009, 22:11
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

The Swiss Pass will only cover you in Switzerland, so it won't cover you for any of Geneva-Paris as Geneva is on the border. I believe the $18 you are finding when checking yes for rail pass is the seat reservation fee, which is compulsory on TGVs.
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

Thanks HashBrown. From what I've read on Rail Europe's website, they say the Swiss Pass enables discounted fares on TGV-Lyria.

"The Swiss pass offers a passholder fare on many high speed and night trains. A passholder fare is a discounted ticket that is purchased in place of a full fare ticket on a train that requires reservations. It will require 1 day of use on your pass. The following trains offer Passholder fares with a Swiss Pass: Elipsos Trenhote, Lyria, CityNightLine, Geneva Med TGV"

The two fare options with the "I have a rail pass" checked are:

* 1 x 2nd Cl Pass 3 - AU$131.00; or
* 1 x 1st Cl Pass 1 - AU$18.00


Regarding seat resevation, the website states, "Seat Reservation: is often included in the price of your ticket; if it is not the case, we will offer you to buy the reservation at the end of your purchases."

It might be best for me to wait till Monday and call them up to clarify.
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

Let us know. If it offers discount even on the non-Swiss part of the journey, they would be amazing.
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Old 18.10.2009, 11:35
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

It'd be worth booking for the sake of losing 18 bucks, in case it was actually 18 bucks. I reckon it's a typo: perhaps 180?
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

I travel on the TGV from Zurich to Paris frequently. As far as I'm aware any Swiss rail pass be it a GA, Swiss Pass, Tageskarte, half tax will only cover you as far as the Swiss border. You will not receive any discount for the part of the journey you make once you enter France. I find it hard to believe that it will only cost AU$18 from Geneva to Paris when a TGV ticket 2nd class from Zurich - Paris with a GA (which covers travel throughout the whole of Switzerland) costs 110CHF. If you try booking the TGV ticket direct through the website the rail pass box only covers French passes which is a pain as it means you have to book your ticket direct from a Swiss ticket office if you want to take advantage of any Swiss discounts.

Official info on Swiss Pass here...

As a secondary point TGV Lyria do sometimes offer cheaper weekend rates though these are usually non transferable and non refundable.
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

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I travel on the TGV from Zurich to Paris frequently. As far as I'm aware any Swiss rail pass be it a GA, Swiss Pass, Tageskarte, half tax will only cover you as far as the Swiss border. You will not receive any discount for the part of the journey you make once you enter France. I find it hard to believe that it will only cost AU$18 from Geneva to Paris when a TGV ticket 2nd class from Zurich - Paris with a GA (which covers travel throughout the whole of Switzerland) costs 110CHF. If you try booking the TGV ticket direct through the website the rail pass box only covers French passes which is a pain as it means you have to book your ticket direct from a Swiss ticket office if you want to take advantage of any Swiss discounts.

As a secondary point TGV Lyria do sometimes offer cheaper weekend rates though these are usually non transferable and non refundable.
Yep, I agree with this. Done it. Been there.
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

Does the Tageskarte ( 1 day GA equivalent ) offer Railplus on the TGV to Paris say ex-Zurich HB ??

Previous thread on Rail Plus.
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Old 19.10.2009, 09:01
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Does the Tageskarte ( 1 day GA equivalent ) offer Railplus on the TGV to Paris say ex-Zurich HB ??
As far as I'm aware no. I have a GA and I travel from ZH-Paris a lot (did it this weekend in fact) and the GA only covers you to the French border. Swiss rail has lots of offers for travel in Italy, Germany, Austria etc but for some reason they never have offers on the TGV with the exception of offering discount whilst you are in Switzerland.

The railplus may cover you for other slower services in France and night trains but bear in mind the TGV is considered a "premium" extra quick service in France and is more often than not excluded from offers.
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

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I travel on the TGV from Zurich to Paris frequently. As far as I'm aware any Swiss rail pass be it a GA, Swiss Pass, Tageskarte, half tax will only cover you as far as the Swiss border. You will not receive any discount for the part of the journey you make once you enter France.
Are you sure about this Jemma? I can't speak for the rest of the passes but I use my half price card for the TGV from Geneva and Lausanne to Paris and from Geneva to the South of France and it gives me discounted fares for the whole trip. Geneva is so close to the border that if you only got a discount to the border (5 minutes) it wouldn't amount to anything. I don't think the discount is 50% but it's significant nonetheless.

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The half fare card also got me a discounted fare on the Geneva-Milan Cisalpino a few weeks ago.

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Old 20.10.2009, 13:02
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

I did a bit of a search and found this.....

Ticket Prices

the second link I tried to post shows prices in CHF but seems to default to the webpage with the discounts (above) so I've attached prices in PDF format.

The link shows the discount info and prices that you will pay to Paris from various Swiss departure points and covers most of the usual Swiss rail passes.

Nev, I'm not sure which ticket you purchased but to me it looks like the prices are all standardised and pretty much set in stone as to what you will pay. Yes there are cheaper options such as the Piccolo fare but they seem to have stricter conditions of travel and in the nearly 3 years I've been travelling to Paris from Zurich (a trip i do approx 5 times a year) I've always paid the standard GA 110CHF price and never been offered a cheaper option
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File Type: pdf TGV Lyria Prices.pdf (129.3 KB, 925 views)

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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

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The half fare card also got me a discounted fare on the Geneva-Milan Cisalpino a few weeks ago.
Tickets to Milan are usually cheap with a GA but that is due to the fact, most of the journey is in Switzerland (i.e included in the annual cost of the GA). In effect you only pay for the fare once you cross the Italian border at Chiasso which is only the last 50 mins of the journey time.
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

For the Lausanne-Paris TGV, I've often found that the online prices from France are cheaper than what the SBB offer in person at the Swiss train stations. IIRC, you cannot book less than 7 days in advance on the French website because then they don't have time to mail the tickets to you.
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For the Lausanne-Paris TGV, I've often found that the online prices from France are cheaper than what the SBB offer in person at the Swiss train stations. IIRC, you cannot book less than 7 days in advance on the French website because then they don't have time to mail the tickets to you.
Thanks for the additional info and will check it out! However that does not solve the issue of what to do if you have a valid Swiss discount card (GA, half tax etc). You cannot enter a Swiss Rail pass on the TGV website only French Abos show up in the drop down box when booking. Also if you try to book on the TGV Lyria site with a Swiss discount card, the site sends you straight to the SBB website where you end up paying Swiss prices Never thought to try booking through the French site without being able to claim for my GA discount but doubt it would work out cheaper in my case.
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Nev, I'm not sure which ticket you purchased
Neither am I. I never book online. I just go to the railway station ask for a return trip to Paris and hand over the half price fare card and it seems to get me a good discount, though as said before it isn't 50%. There are restrictions and I'm always asked to show my half price card to the ticket inspector on the train so I assume it has something to do with the discount.
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Old 20.10.2009, 17:47
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Re: Swiss Pass a "valid rail pass" with TGV-Lyria?

Jemma, you are 100% right. I was passing the rail station this afternoon so I popped into the SBB/CFF agence voyages and asked if the half fare card got a discount on the TGV. They confirmed what you said - only as far as the border and most of the discount comes from special deals which have come up on the screen when I've booked.
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Thanks for the additional info and will check it out! However that does not solve the issue of what to do if you have a valid Swiss discount card (GA, half tax etc). You cannot enter a Swiss Rail pass on the TGV website only French Abos show up in the drop down box when booking. Also if you try to book on the TGV Lyria site with a Swiss discount card, the site sends you straight to the SBB website where you end up paying Swiss prices Never thought to try booking through the French site without being able to claim for my GA discount but doubt it would work out cheaper in my case.
I also have an AG, and I believe that I've still seen cheaper prices on the French website where I cannot apply my AG than at the train station, where they do factor in my AG. I never really understood it, and maybe I just had it all wrong, so I'd be happy if someone can confirm whether this is possible.
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