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Paying extra for bluemotion (VW golf), is it worth it ?

I am still (and slowly getting fed up) looking for a car to replace my VW T4 van (anyone interested in a cool van ? ) . I am very close to buying a VW Golf with the 1.6 TDI engine and DSG.
Now it turns out a BlueMotion model with this engine was released just 2 weeks ago.
What do you think, is it worth getting over the standard car (700 chf extra) ? As an engineer I like all this technology stuff but as a consumer, I don't know. Isn't it more like a 'hype' now ? I have the feeling its an intermediate technology, some 'patches' that everyone will forget about when the hybrids get better and better ? Won't starting and stopping the engine wear out the engine sooner (as the flow of oil into the bearings is not there the first half of a second after starting it) ? And I am guessing all this Bluemotion stuff will be very expensive to fix when it breaks. For me the benefit will not outweigh the extra cost of the car as I only do 5 to 10 Mm a year. But I do like the philosophy behind it, the 107 versus 123 g/km Co2...

What are your thoughts ?
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Re: Paying extra for bluemotion (VW golf), is it worth it ?

how many kms do you do and what's your typical run out?
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Old 05.11.2009, 11:36
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how many kms do you do and what's your typical run out?
Well, I do around 5 to 10000 km a year. What is run out ? Is it that you anticipate a lot and take your foot of the gas when you spot a red light in the distance ? (cause I do that a lot, I have a comfortable driving style with slow accellerating / decellerating)
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how many kms do you do and what's your typical run out?
Hehehe the engineer said she does 5 to 10 Megametres a year....this made my day
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I am still (and slowly getting fed up) looking for a car to replace my VW T4 van (anyone interested in a cool van ? ) . I am very close to buying a VW Golf with the 1.6 TDI engine and DSG.
Now it turns out a BlueMotion model with this engine was released just 2 weeks ago.
What do you think, is it worth getting over the standard car (700 chf extra) ? As an engineer I like all this technology stuff but as a consumer, I don't know. Isn't it more like a 'hype' now ? I have the feeling its an intermediate technology, some 'patches' that everyone will forget about when the hybrids get better and better ? Won't starting and stopping the engine wear out the engine sooner (as the flow of oil into the bearings is not there the first half of a second after starting it) ? And I am guessing all this Bluemotion stuff will be very expensive to fix when it breaks. For me the benefit will not outweigh the extra cost of the car as I only do 5 to 10 Mm a year. But I do like the philosophy behind it, the 107 versus 123 g/km Co2...

What are your thoughts ?
Care to provide some details of the T4?
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Re: Paying extra for bluemotion (VW golf), is it worth it ?

from your overall km, many would advise you against a diesel and towards the VW 1.4TSi models.

Run out = what your average run is; sounds like down to the shops

The issue with some diesels is that the particle filter doesn't respond well and the 1.4 engines are very efficient too.

Whether this applies to the BM, I don't know. Here's a review of the 1.4: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=369
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Hehehe the engineer said she does 5 to 10 Megametres a year....this made my day
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What are your thoughts ?

Bluemotion technology is still crude for that price range. If you don't mind spending 700 CHF, then go for it. Otherwise, go for the cheaper one
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Care to provide some details of the T4?
Well its a long wheel base version, 102 hp 2.5L TDI from 03.2003 with 67000 km (so it just run-in). I bought it from new and it has always been my private car. I bought it because I think it is the best average between a normal car and a camper. Now that I live in Switzerland however I don't camp that much anymore so I want to change it for a small automatic car to enjoy driving in the mountains (as the van can be a handful when going up the Gotthard )

Since it was my private car it has lots of luxury options like:
airconditioning
cruise control
ABS+ESD
radio with MP3
heated driver seat
ultrasonic parking buzzer in the rear (from BOSCH)
2 seat (with armrests)
no diving wall to cargo area (cause i used it as a camper)
comes with 4 extra (complete) wheels with winter tyres.

The inside looks very nice (like new, no dents or even scratches inside), on the outside the paint is discolored as it has always been parked in the sun. The car is green in color, no metallic.

MFK is from 07/11/07

Ab platz (so, you have to arrange MFK and pay defects yourself, if any): 17500 chf but you'll have to be very quick
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Old 05.11.2009, 12:08
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Well its a long wheel base version, 102 hp 2.5L TDI from 03.2003 with 67000 km (so it just run-in). I bought it from new and it has always been my private car. I bought it because I think it is the best average between a normal car and a camper. Now that I live in Switzerland however I don't camp that much anymore so I want to change it for a small automatic car to enjoy driving in the mountains (as the van can be a handful when going up the Gotthard )

Since it was my private car it has lots of luxury options like:
airconditioning
cruise control
ABS+ESD
radio with MP3
heated driver seat
ultrasonic parking buzzer in the rear (from BOSCH)
2 seat (with armrests)
no diving wall to cargo area (cause i used it as a camper)
comes with 4 extra (complete) wheels with winter tyres.

The inside looks very nice (like new, no dents or even scratches inside), on the outside the paint is discolored as it has always been parked in the sun. The car is green in color, no metallic.

MFK is from 07/11/07

Ab platz (so, you have to arrange MFK and pay defects yourself, if any): 17500 chf but you'll have to be very quick
Is the inside bare cargo area or have you built it as a camper?
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from your overall km, many would advise you against a diesel and towards the VW 1.4TSi models.

Run out = what your average run is; sounds like down to the shops

The issue with some diesels is that the particle filter doesn't respond well and the 1.4 engines are very efficient too.

Whether this applies to the BM, I don't know. Here's a review of the 1.4: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=369
I actually tried the 1.4 TSI with 160 hp but I didn't like it. The computer software of the DSG is geared towards low fuel consumption. So around town you're in 5th gear already with the engine doing only 1300 rpm. The engine really does not sound good (like its protesting) and there is
absolutely no power.

The diesel on the other hand has 250nm from 1500 to 2500 rpm and feels much stronger around town than the TSI...

Plus I really like to hear the diesel clatter

So, it comes down to the diesel being a better car around town plus a heavy preference for diesel from me... Cause I agree, financially the TSI would be a better choice/
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you don't do enough km to benefit from the better economy.
but - if it's what you want, go for it!
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Is the inside bare cargo area or have you built it as a camper?
It's a bare cargo area.

It has a large wooden box in it for storage of camping gear with a clever folding lid system to sleep on it (using air matress). But this box is only tied with ratched bands to the wall so it is easely taken out. The cargo area is then bare spare for some carpet on the floor and wooden strips against the walls (for easy tying of stuff). Next to the box there is enough room to take a 125 cc scooter along so for camping its perfect (I still remember driving from Holland to Rome, camping close to the city and taking the scooter to the historic centre.... those where the days)
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